How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

DiscoSteve said:
Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.
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I wasn't talking about caring what people think. I'm also not going to bother talking to you anymore as you are the archetype of someone who knew what they were voting for.
 
DiscoSteve said:
Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.
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Great, but if you could provide a list of benefits to balance the inconveniences, the increased costs to businesses, the loss of jobs and businesses that would be a appreciated.
 
DiscoSteve said:
Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.
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Other than the inconveniences, what did you gain from the vote? I still haven't seen any benefit from it, I only know people who have suffered and who continue to suffer in various industries and well everything else. I understand why people voted for it but we have to move past that now because it's just pointless and toxic.

I was a skeptic by the way and not a remainer but I voted remain because I thought it would be a shitshow and everything promised wouldn't happen which we now know to be true. There is no point in clinging onto the past, it has failed and we must now see sense and at least economically find a way to reattach to Europe.

If we don't then Europe will surpass us and we'll continue to be reduced in the world and suffer the consequences. When somebody thinks of building a new factory, why on earth would they choose the UK given the barriers that now exist to the market next door?
 
DiscoSteve said:
Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.
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"Not a selfish act" and "DO NOT care" about others doesn't seem entirely consistent...

You see some inconveniencies
Their business has failed
We all lose 5% of GDP and the ability to staff social care

But who cares?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
"Not a selfish act" and "DO NOT care" about others doesn't seem entirely consistent...

You see some inconveniencies
Their business has failed
We all lose 5% of GDP and the ability to staff social care

But who cares?
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Although those things are of course significant, I think over the past few years the soaring price of energy driving a low growth and high inflation economy has overtaken Brexit as an issue for ourselves and our EU friends. We've already wasted a decade or more on circular Brexit arguments and now risk 'fiddling while Rome burns'.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Although those things are of course significant, I think over the past few years the soaring price of energy driving a low growth and high inflation economy has overtaken Brexit as an issue for ourselves and our EU friends. We've already wasted a decade or more on circular Brexit arguments and now risk 'fiddling while Rome burns'.
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The problem is that the "Brexit arguments" will never be resolved. That's not a complaint, it's just reality. All of the issues you highlight are tied up to our relationship with our closest trading partner, so that relationship will be undergoing constant renegotiation of various sorts. This is all the moreso because the current settlement is obviously daft in various ways (look at all the delays on border controls just for one example), driven often by ideology, but also incompetence.

We're in this for the long run, like it or not, I'm afraid.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The problem is that the "Brexit arguments" will never be resolved. That's not a complaint, it's just reality. All of the issues you highlight are tied up to our relationship with our closest trading partner, so that relationship will be undergoing constant renegotiation of various sorts. This is all the moreso because the current settlement is obviously daft in various ways (look at all the delays on border controls just for one example), driven often by ideology, but also incompetence.

We're in this for the long run, like it or not, I'm afraid.
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Governments for the next 20-40 years will be gradually working towards the sensible compromise we should have found when we left. I was surprised Starmer didn't flex more on free movement but I supposed he sensed it was politically dangerous in that it could be seen/spun as weak on immigration
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Although those things are of course significant, I think over the past few years the soaring price of energy driving a low growth and high inflation economy has overtaken Brexit as an issue for ourselves and our EU friends. We've already wasted a decade or more on circular Brexit arguments and now risk 'fiddling while Rome burns'.
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If I buy a city shirt and it came with the wrong number and name on it then I'd return it.

I wouldn't instead try to stick with it and proudly wear my "#10 Twat" shirt....
 
Although I could admittedly see how people might think I’m taking the piss here or wumming or whatever the term is….
However, is it possible to get a simple head count of opinion in here.
I travel over to England regularly but haven’t approached this subject with anyone I know over there.

Regardless of how you voted in the referendum, do you think it was a good or bad idea. A simple good or bad, would do.

I know at least one contributor in here has , admirably I would say, stated in here he was wrong and regrets having voted to leave. Are there any others like that or are people happy with the choice they made?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Governments for the next 20-40 years will be gradually working towards the sensible compromise we should have found when we left. I was surprised Starmer didn't flex more on free movement but I supposed he sensed it was politically dangerous in that it could be seen/spun as weak on immigration
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Instead he's gone for other politically dangerous stuff.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Although I could admittedly see how people might think I’m taking the piss here or wumming or whatever the term is….
However, is it possible to get a simple head count of opinion in here.
I travel over to England regularly but haven’t approached this subject with anyone I know over there.

Regardless of how you voted in the referendum, do you think it was a good or bad idea. A simple good or bad, would do.

I know at least one contributor in here has , admirably I would say, stated in here he was wrong and regrets having voted to leave. Are there any others like that or are people happy with the choice they made?
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This doesn't answer that question - as most of this will not be a change of view but older Brexit voters being replaced by younger pro-Europe voters.

www.statista.com

Brexit poll 2025| Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
 
Anyone who voted for Brexit should volunteer to pay more tax to make up for the £100,000,000,000 loss in GDP per year. So that equates to approx £5800 per Brexit voter per year, obviously those with the broadest shoulders Dyson, Scruffy Jim etc should pay more, but I know Brexit folks, overjoyed with their new won freedoms (freedom not to travel visa free and work in the EU etc) will want to do the right thing now they’ve taken back control.
 
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