Irish referendum to repeal Eighth Amendment

I do love a referendum and the will of the people being acted upon.

Well done the Irish.
 
blue_paul said:
A good post which lays out the fact it’s not completely black and white.
Laughable the English on here accuse us of only entering the 21rst century now when the fucking DUP props up their government.
Google them and donations to the Brexit campaign, then have a look at their dinasour denying shite!
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I'd much rather the DUP were not propping May up mate and for a number of reasons included in them would be the strange religious views they hold and their stance on things like gay rights - horrible horrible group
 
blueinsa said:
I do love a referendum and the will of the people being acted upon.

Well done the Irish.
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Personally I am uncomfortable with subjecting the rights of a group of people to an overall vote and the will of the majority on any given day irrespective of the result.

The ‘will of the people’ has often being used to excuse and prosecute crimes and injustices against sections of society. Just because it’s ‘popular’ doesn’t make it right.
 
SWP's back said:
Surely that’s the choice of the parents?
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I personally don't believe so, it should be a straight choice of whether they're willing to have a child or not, not whether they're only willing to have a child if the foetus meets certain criteria when fully formed. Would have preferred 10 weeks.
 
blue_paul said:
A good post which lays out the fact it’s not completely black and white.
Laughable the English on here accuse us of only entering the 21rst century now when the fucking DUP props up their government.
Google them and donations to the Brexit campaign, then have a look at their dinasour denying shite!
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Because there are utter headcases running the north, and by fuck there are. Young earth, evolution denying, anti science, snake talking believing twats, doesn’t remove the fact that Ireland had to tell the religious to go forth and multiply.

I have no problem people believing in their compendium of insanity ‘holy’ books. But, don’t let them take these heinous ideas and discrimination these books enshrine affect secular life.

The DUP are insane. They are bigots in a wider sense other than sectarianism.
They live in a bubble of the 17th century puritanical madness.

The fact they are propping up the govt here shows you how fucked up things still are. I have no doubt the people of the North from both communities would vote in similar numbers if given the chance.

Get religion back where it belongs, in the home, sadly indoctrinating children to believe in shit that is farcical. I was one of those children, as were many of my pals. We all managed to come out of it and see it for what it is. A way to control people for their own ends and totally man made, Bronze Age idiocy.

An absolute curse that seeks to divide people. Every time I have attended a service for a funeral or wedding, I shake my head at the complete shit the priests talk and despair at how adults can believe the bolloks they spout.

Well done Ireland and please Catholic Church, take a back seat and accept your place as a busted flush.

Focus on repairing the damage you have done to thousands who were in your charge for generations in homes they ran for children.

Plenty to be getting on with there.
 
This is the first referendum i just didnt feel right in voting in now i voted for every other referendum just yesterday i didnt. I feel every woman has a right to choose what to do. In some cases i feel there needs to be maybe rules set on the abortion. I think we might have the cases were some women will do it as a lifestyle choice. I be a bit concerned in that regard. I fully agree with women who are raped or after a scan for medical reasons that it will cause harm to the woman or the unborn baby has too many problems. Just in some cases for lifestyle choices i would have my concerns.
 
leighton said:
This is the first referendum i just didnt feel right in voting in now i voted for every other referendum just yesterday i didnt. I feel every woman has a right to choose what to do. In some cases i feel there needs to be maybe rules set on the abortion. I think we might have the cases were some women will do it as a lifestyle choice. I be a bit concerned in that regard. I fully agree with women who are raped or after a scan for medical reasons that it will cause harm to the woman or the unborn baby has too many problems. Just in some cases for lifestyle choices i would have my concerns.
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I think we need to move away from this idea that there are sigmificant numbers of women who see abortion as a "lifestyle choice". Going for an abortion isn't a fun thing and it isn't preferable to using contraception. It's not an easy option to take and is in the vast vast majority of instances, a last resort in where contraception has failed, there's a serious lack of education, there's a problem with the pregnancy, or something more sinister has occurred. And you know what, sometimes it's just an honest mistake.

Also it takes two people to make a baby. And for every woman deemed to be using abortion as as some kind of easy option, there's a man involved too. It's just as easy for a man to take the view "oh it's ok, she can just get an abortion" as it is for a woman. In fact I'd say it's easier if anything, as he's the one that doesn't even have to go through it. The accusation of poor lifestyle choices shouldn't be resting squarely on the shoulders of women.
 
Mon Autre said:
I think we need to move away from this idea that there are sigmificant numbers of women who see abortion as a "lifestyle choice". Going for an abortion isn't a fun thing and it isn't preferable to using contraception. It's not an easy option to take and is in the vast vast majority of instances, a last resort in where contraception has failed, there's a serious lack of education, there's a problem with the pregnancy, or something more sinister has occurred. And you know what, sometimes it's just an honest mistake.

Also it takes two people to make a baby. And for every woman deemed to be using abortion as as some kind of easy option, there's a man involved too. It's just as easy for a man to take the view "oh it's ok, she can just get an abortion" as it is for a woman. In fact I'd say it's easier if anything, as he's the one that doesn't even have to go through it. The accusation of poor lifestyle choices shouldn't be resting squarely on the shoulders of women.
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Great post. You cannot use the lifestyle excuse as saying that because some might use it that way you remove the rights of the vast majority.

Nobody is s fan of abortion. But we shouldn’t use individuals as a reason for denying a woman the right to have the choice because of it.

The church were anti contraception so a lot of the problems were caused by this. Get the priests, the ministers, the rabid evangelicals to fuck.

Theocracy is a recipe for social disaster whenever it’s rancid head rises and has influence.

I get down on my knees and pray to god the day will come when we have a referendum to ban religion. :)
 
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