Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Cost to sack Mancini would be approximately £35million I believe (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/roberto-mancini-beats-alex-ferguson-again-as-he-signs-deal-worth-375m-at-manchester-city-7924914.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 24914.html</a>), we won't even spend that on a player anymore. Some people are living in cuckoo land I think, get behind the manager because he's here to stay.

It won't cost the full amount, there is always negotiation; Mancini took much less of Inter than he was due to take over at City, it is more than likely he would do the same again in a similar situation.

 

[Blue2112]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I like Mancini and love him for everything he's won for us but that doesn't stop him from being immune to critiscism. I wish he'd show a little more appreciation of his players especially coming off as a sub. Felt for Lescott after being dropped for two of the biggest games in his club career at Bayern last season and Madrid this, when he was taken off today Mancini completely snubbed him. A little common courtesy and grace costs nothing. If he's unhappy with Lescott sort it in the dressing room but in public show solidarity.

Was surprised at his reaction against Villa in the league cup where he stood on the sidelines and left his players on the pitch for extra time. If he's trying to play some clever mind games it's not working. Everybody responds better to a little show of respect, c'mon Roberto your better than that.

 

[DalbeyINUK]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mods may as well lock this thread. No one is really interested in anything other then name calling etc. There are legitimate questions to be asked here that don't nessisarily mean Mancini should be fired. We should be able to talk about these things like adults but that is apparently not possible on BM any longer. So unless the mods are entertained all this thread is good for is creating bad blood between City fans. Onward to Swansea!

 

[glen quagmire]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

As in he might not be able to do it again, we only just won the league. Only just beat stoke, which we could have lost.

The owners want the CL, can mancini win it for us? probably not.... therefore he can't take us any further.

How do you know, for definite, that bobby won't win the champions league with us? How long did it take fergiscum to do it? All this talk of the champions league and our owners demanding it is balls.

Abravomic 'demanded' it. Look at all the good managers he used, and a former player with no european experience as a manager, wins it at the first attempt!

For me the champions league is so diluted i'd rather retain the title anyday. By your yardstick chelsea are the best team in europe right now, aren't they?

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

As in he might not be able to do it again, we only just won the league. Only just beat stoke, which we could have lost.

The owners want the CL, can mancini win it for us? probably not.... therefore he can't take us any further.

How do you know, for definite, that bobby won't win the champions league with us? How long did it take fergiscum to do it? All this talk of the champions league and our owners demanding it is balls.

Abravomic 'demanded' it. Look at all the good managers he used, and a former player with no european experience as a manager, wins it at the first attempt!

For me the champions league is so diluted i'd rather retain the title anyday. By your yardstick chelsea are the best team in europe right now, aren't they?

have you not been watching the same city the last 2 seasons? we've gone backwards under mancini, his record is appauling. We don't even dominate games, we could have had 25 goals against us already. were good enough but mancini just wants us to sit back and we got picked off.

Chelsea and United improved, we haven't. Christ it's not hard, his background and history is taking shape now. Did you watch tonight? that management second half was probably some of the worst, if not the worse i've ever seen.

 

[glen quagmire]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Redknapp is available isn't he? Maybe we can tempt mick mccarthy?

I'm off to bed, my head hurts, from all this negativity.

Nite..

 

[Jumanji]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I thought it was a known fact that we often forget how to play when Silva isn't on the pitch, even when he isn't on fire...

Mancini is partly to blame, but we have to factor that we didn't have our only true creative force (Silva) against a league champion.

 

[blumoonrisen]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

As in he might not be able to do it again, we only just won the league. Only just beat stoke, which we could have lost.

The owners want the CL, can mancini win it for us? probably not.... therefore he can't take us any further.

I'm happy with us "just" winning the prem for the next few yrs, to criticise the manager and saying he's not good enough for not doing well in the CL is pretty poor and reeks of spoilt kid syndrome.

 

[DalbeyINUK]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I thought it was a known fact that we often forget how to play when Silva isn't on the pitch, even when he isn't on fire...

That's a fair point things often do turn to crap when DS isn't on the pitch.

 

[Joga Bonito]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Get a grip lads, FFS can never please everyone, imagine if Mancini hadn't started Dzeko tonight we would have to put up with three pages of forum posts "why no dzeko in starting lineup mancini!"

Tough results but we're the bloody champions of England, let's keep playing our football and use this as momentum to get ahead in the league!

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

As in he might not be able to do it again, we only just won the league. Only just beat stoke, which we could have lost.

The owners want the CL, can mancini win it for us? probably not.... therefore he can't take us any further.

How do you know, for definite, that bobby won't win the champions league with us? How long did it take fergiscum to do it? All this talk of the champions league and our owners demanding it is balls.

Abravomic 'demanded' it. Look at all the good managers he used, and a former player with no european experience as a manager, wins it at the first attempt!

For me the champions league is so diluted i'd rather retain the title anyday. By your yardstick chelsea are the best team in europe right now, aren't they?

have you not been watching the same city the last 2 seasons? we've gone backwards under mancini, his record is appauling. We don't even dominate games, we could have had 25 goals against us already. were good enough but mancini just wants us to sit back and we got picked off.

Chelsea and United improved, we haven't. Christ it's not hard, his background and history is taking shape now. Did you watch tonight? that management second half was probably some of the worst, if not the worse i've ever seen.

We've gone backwards under Mancini? Seriously? Backwards to consistent draws? Backwards to winning the first half of the season then being battered by Middlesbrough? Backwards to winning the FA Cup via the scum at Wembley? Backwards to being Champions of England?

Appalling record, that.

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

How do you know, for definite, that bobby won't win the champions league with us? How long did it take fergiscum to do it? All this talk of the champions league and our owners demanding it is balls.

Abravomic 'demanded' it. Look at all the good managers he used, and a former player with no european experience as a manager, wins it at the first attempt!

For me the champions league is so diluted i'd rather retain the title anyday. By your yardstick chelsea are the best team in europe right now, aren't they?

have you not been watching the same city the last 2 seasons? we've gone backwards under mancini, his record is appauling. We don't even dominate games, we could have had 25 goals against us already. were good enough but mancini just wants us to sit back and we got picked off.

Chelsea and United improved, we haven't. Christ it's not hard, his background and history is taking shape now. Did you watch tonight? that management second half was probably some of the worst, if not the worse i've ever seen.

We've gone backwards under Mancini? Seriously? Backwards to consistent draws? Backwards to winning the first half of the season then being battered by Middlesbrough? Backwards to winning the FA Cup via the scum at Wembley? Backwards to being Champions of England?

Appalling record, that.

evidently you've not read the conversation.

Were talking about his record and prudentials in the Champions League alone.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I don't think we will get better under Mancini; Sacchi had a strategy and style that led him to success at Milan, once he achieved the success he was unable to repeat it to same levl and glory days stalled he left to join Italy, Capello comes in and despite having a poorer team is more pragmatic and leads the club to CL win over the dream team and picks up 3 serie A titles in a row and 4 all together in 5 seasons as manager. I just see where we go, Mancini lacks the vision, the great football template of a genius like Sacchi or Gaurdiola but he does n't have the paragmatism, rigidity and structure of Capello or Mourinho. Ferguson has changed his tactics in Europe over the years and evolved, his mangerial style means his players may poorly but work hard and get results, Mancini does n't seem to offer us these traits at the moment, Wenger had success years ago but is now plodding along as far as competing for honours goes. If that's what we want fine stick with Mancini but is that the limit of our ambition?

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

have you not been watching the same city the last 2 seasons? we've gone backwards under mancini, his record is appauling. We don't even dominate games, we could have had 25 goals against us already. were good enough but mancini just wants us to sit back and we got picked off.

Chelsea and United improved, we haven't. Christ it's not hard, his background and history is taking shape now. Did you watch tonight? that management second half was probably some of the worst, if not the worse i've ever seen.

We've gone backwards under Mancini? Seriously? Backwards to consistent draws? Backwards to winning the first half of the season then being battered by Middlesbrough? Backwards to winning the FA Cup via the scum at Wembley? Backwards to being Champions of England?

Appalling record, that.

evidently you've not read the conversation.

Were talking about his record and prudentials in the Champions League alone.

If that is the case, it is not even comparable to say "we have gone backwards", because we haven't even been in the competition until Mancini.

Regardless of how it went with Inter. Could Mancini have won the CL with inter given one more season? Who knows, or cares.

I've read the lot. His credentials are good to me. I've a feeling you are attempting a wind-up here... His prudentials... as far as I know his molars are OK...

To say we have gone backwards under Mancini, in footballing terms it just is not true, it is the complete opposite.

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

We've gone backwards under Mancini? Seriously? Backwards to consistent draws? Backwards to winning the first half of the season then being battered by Middlesbrough? Backwards to winning the FA Cup via the scum at Wembley? Backwards to being Champions of England?

Appalling record, that.

evidently you've not read the conversation.

Were talking about his record and prudentials in the Champions League alone.

If that is the case, it is not even comparable to say "we have gone backwards", because we haven't even been in the competition until Mancini.

Regardless of how it went with Inter. Could Mancini have won the CL with inter given one more season? Who knows, or cares.

I've read the lot. His credentials are good to me. I've a feeling you are attempting a wind-up here... His prudentials... as far as I know his molars are OK...

To say we have gone backwards under Mancini, in footballing terms it just is not true, it is the complete opposite.

read my post further up, i'll narrow it down for you.

he got sacked by Milan, couldnt deliver in europe. so his history infact in the CL has always been poor, only made it to the knockouts once, failed at the group stages many times.

footballing terms - last year in the CL: he haden't learnt anything, this season he hasn't again. realictically Madrid could have had 11, dortmund 9 and ajax 6. we've not competed once, we've got away with murder every single game.

how and where have we gone forward? we've gone backwards. In the champions league he's tactically inept, tonights second half was literally embarassing.

it's no wind-up, i find it a wind-up how you think we have improved. We've been nothing short of appalling. Mancini has learnt nothing, tonight once again proved it.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

evidently you've not read the conversation.

Were talking about his record and prudentials in the Champions League alone.

If that is the case, it is not even comparable to say "we have gone backwards", because we haven't even been in the competition until Mancini.

Regardless of how it went with Inter. Could Mancini have won the CL with inter given one more season? Who knows, or cares.

I've read the lot. His credentials are good to me. I've a feeling you are attempting a wind-up here... His prudentials... as far as I know his molars are OK...

To say we have gone backwards under Mancini, in footballing terms it just is not true, it is the complete opposite.

read my post further up, i'll narrow it down for you.

he got sacked by Milan, couldnt deliver in europe. so his history infact in the CL has always been poor, only made it to the knockouts once, failed at the group stages many times.

footballing terms - last year in the CL: he haden't learnt anything, this season he hasn't again. realictically Madrid could have had 11, dortmund 9 and ajax 6. we've not competed once, we've got away with murder every single game.

how and where have we gone forward? we've gone backwards. In the champions league he's tactically inept, tonights second half was literally embarassing.

it's no wind-up, i find it a wind-up how you think we have improved. We've been nothing short of appalling. Mancini has learnt nothing, tonight once again proved it.

It was Inter so don't call them Milan, but you are right he was sacked after going back on his planned stepping down at the end of the season after the liverpool defeat, I just think he lacks the know how to guide a team to CL success, we can't get out of the group play poorly away from home in most european games in CL and EL. We played well at Porto, then played better at home, we have gone backwards since, results like Dynamo Kyiv 2-0 should be a thing of the past but getting tonked by Sporting and Ajax seem to suggest no progression.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

evidently you've not read the conversation.

Were talking about his record and prudentials in the Champions League alone.

If that is the case, it is not even comparable to say "we have gone backwards", because we haven't even been in the competition until Mancini.

Regardless of how it went with Inter. Could Mancini have won the CL with inter given one more season? Who knows, or cares.

I've read the lot. His credentials are good to me. I've a feeling you are attempting a wind-up here... His prudentials... as far as I know his molars are OK...

To say we have gone backwards under Mancini, in footballing terms it just is not true, it is the complete opposite.

read my post further up, i'll narrow it down for you.

he got sacked by Milan, couldnt deliver in europe. so his history infact in the CL has always been poor, only made it to the knockouts once, failed at the group stages many times.

footballing terms - last year in the CL: he haden't learnt anything, this season he hasn't again. realictically Madrid could have had 11, dortmund 9 and ajax 6. we've not competed once, we've got away with murder every single game.

how and where have we gone forward? we've gone backwards. In the champions league he's tactically inept, tonights second half was literally embarassing.

it's no wind-up, i find it a wind-up how you think we have improved. We've been nothing short of appalling. Mancini has learnt nothing, tonight once again proved it.

i never said I think we have improved. I just don't think it is as bad as you make out. Taking this one game, we were solid at the back first half and unlucky to concede when we did. I saw us go to 3 at the back and switch to a back 4 as possession dictated. We looked good. Second half we chased a winner and were punished. We are always learning.

Last season I don't think Europe was a priority. Priority was the league and we won that. Despite the hoo-haa on here the league is again the priority, imho.

To answer the thread title, no, I don't think now is the time to consider the manager's future. The time to weigh it all up will be at the end of the season. Even then, we will still have him under contract so whilst criticism of the choices can be valid, disputing the strides already made and whether his job is safe seems a bit futile, to me.

Plus, we are still not out yet.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

how and where have we gone forward?

Would we have had a sick swan under Hughes? Or a stupendous end to the season last year?

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

how and where have we gone forward?

Would we have had a sick swan under Hughes? Or a stupendous end to the season last year?

WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS EUROPEAN RECORD!

We've established in England he can compete now, christ almighty how many times.

 

[citymad]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I like Mancini and love him for everything he's won for us but that doesn't stop him from being immune to critiscism. I wish he'd show a little more appreciation of his players especially coming off as a sub. Felt for Lescott after being dropped for two of the biggest games in his club career at Bayern last season and Madrid this, when he was taken off today Mancini completely snubbed him. A little common courtesy and grace costs nothing. If he's unhappy with Lescott sort it in the dressing room but in public show solidarity.

Was surprised at his reaction against Villa in the league cup where he stood on the sidelines and left his players on the pitch for extra time. If he's trying to play some clever mind games it's not working. Everybody responds better to a little show of respect, c'mon Roberto your better than that.

Totally agree. It's the one thing I dislike about Mancini. He shows no respect for his players. It's going to cause trouble in the end with the more stronger minded players. His blind faith in balo won't help his cause either.