Javi Garcia (continued)

[richards30]

In the shop window?

Was initially offered in the mangala and fernando deal but it got refused as they just want cash. Always looks dodgy against pace and should have been subbed at half time.

 

[FantasyIreland]

In the shop window?

Was initially offered in the mangala and fernando deal but it got refused as they just want cash. Always looks dodgy against pace and should have been subbed at half time.

In favour of who?

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

What do you guys think of our performance yesterday? I loved the win, but think we are playing within ourselves. Nearly had ten heart attacks.

 

[NQCitizen]

I was quite shocked by the lack of pace. Barkley wasn't even out of 3rd gear and he sailed past him. He has been good recently, in relative terms, but that piece of play speaks a thousand words.

"Ross Barkley is faster than Javi Garcia"

I've got 993 to go.

Honestly people run past all our players, Kompany, Zaba it just happens.

 

[trevorriley]

Not only is MDM a class player but also a role model at the club. Have you noticed how the women's football team have copied his hair style...

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

I was quite shocked by the lack of pace. Barkley wasn't even out of 3rd gear and he sailed past him. He has been good recently, in relative terms, but that piece of play speaks a thousand words.

"Ross Barkley is faster than Javi Garcia"

I've got 993 to go.

Honestly people run past all our players, Kompany, Zaba it just happens.

For a defensive midfielder it happens to him far too often. Think naismith dicked him at one point

 

[pudge]

I was quite shocked by the lack of pace. Barkley wasn't even out of 3rd gear and he sailed past him. He has been good recently, in relative terms, but that piece of play speaks a thousand words.

"Ross Barkley is faster than Javi Garcia"

I've got 993 to go.

Honestly people run past all our players, Kompany, Zaba it just happens.

Difference being Garcia has no pace to recover, it's either a pull of the shirt or he'll just let him go.

Again, his positioning to break up attacks is usually spot on but if a player has him squared up one on one, Javi loses.

 

[BigOscar]

I was quite shocked by the lack of pace. Barkley wasn't even out of 3rd gear and he sailed past him. He has been good recently, in relative terms, but that piece of play speaks a thousand words.

"Ross Barkley is faster than Javi Garcia"

I've got 993 to go.

Honestly people run past all our players, Kompany, Zaba it just happens.

Difference being Garcia has no pace to recover, it's either a pull of the shirt or he'll just let him go.

Again, his positioning to break up attacks is usually spot on but if a player has him squared up one on one, Javi loses.

As do most holding midfielders. It's hard to think of many who aren't shit slow. That's what makes central players like Yaya and Barkley who can burst pass people so valuable, as most central midfielders are more strength than speed, combine the two and you become prety unstoppable

 

[pudge]

"Ross Barkley is faster than Javi Garcia"

I've got 993 to go.

Honestly people run past all our players, Kompany, Zaba it just happens.

Difference being Garcia has no pace to recover, it's either a pull of the shirt or he'll just let him go.

Again, his positioning to break up attacks is usually spot on but if a player has him squared up one on one, Javi loses.

As do most holding midfielders. It's hard to think of many who aren't shit slow. That's what makes central players like Yaya and Barkley who can burst pass people so valuable, as most central midfielders are more strength than speed, combine the two and you become prety unstoppable

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease. Instead of maybe sticking a foot in or even staying off a few yards, he gets too close and is all hands when put in that position.

 

[BigOscar]

Difference being Garcia has no pace to recover, it's either a pull of the shirt or he'll just let him go.

Again, his positioning to break up attacks is usually spot on but if a player has him squared up one on one, Javi loses.

As do most holding midfielders. It's hard to think of many who aren't shit slow. That's what makes central players like Yaya and Barkley who can burst pass people so valuable, as most central midfielders are more strength than speed, combine the two and you become prety unstoppable

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease.

I've seen 40m Javi Martinez being left for dead by Negredo, who isn't remotely quick, so I don't think it's uncommon at all. Alonso is constantly beaten for pace and pulling people back, he's booked almost every game for it and Busquets is incredibly slow.

I think the problem isn't so much his pace, more that he got into positions where people could use pace against him. Naismith beat him for pace, but a holding player should never be up against a winger with space in behind him, something has to go wrong for that to happen, as they will always lose that race. Our spacing between our defence and midfield was off at times yesterday, the defence seemed a lot deeper than usual and that opened up the opportunity for them to use pace against our midfield, or take free shots like they did for the goal. We've been better at that lately, with both centerbacks ready to step forwards if people try and break into that space, but our shape wasn't at it's best yesterday, it was more like it was earlier in the year

 

[NQCitizen]

Difference being Garcia has no pace to recover, it's either a pull of the shirt or he'll just let him go.

Again, his positioning to break up attacks is usually spot on but if a player has him squared up one on one, Javi loses.

As do most holding midfielders. It's hard to think of many who aren't shit slow. That's what makes central players like Yaya and Barkley who can burst pass people so valuable, as most central midfielders are more strength than speed, combine the two and you become prety unstoppable

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease. Instead of maybe sticking a foot in or even staying off a few yards, he gets too close and is all hands when put in that position.

Most games he actually gets away with it and uses pulls to great effects to stifle opponents momentum. Referees never seem that keen to punish him.

I've always thought it was largely tactical.

 

[pudge]

As do most holding midfielders. It's hard to think of many who aren't shit slow. That's what makes central players like Yaya and Barkley who can burst pass people so valuable, as most central midfielders are more strength than speed, combine the two and you become prety unstoppable

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease. Instead of maybe sticking a foot in or even staying off a few yards, he gets too close and is all hands when put in that position.

Most games he actually gets away with it and uses pulls to great effects to stifle opponents momentum. Referees never seem that keen to punish him.

I've always thought it was largely tactical.

It's tactical to the extent it will break up play with a free kick.

It's not tactical to the extent that pulling a players shirt is a desperate last resort.

You can't say Garcia lets players glide past him with ease and then pulls them back by the shirt, and shorts, because he's tactically astute.. He was a second booking waiting to happen yesterday

 

[King Geedorah]

Our system let him get exposed. When teams break at us he's very vulnerable.

Chelsea set up so players like Matic, Mikel, Lampard etc don't have to face players breaking with pace and they all look solid because of it.

The issue is you can't have it all- if you have the fast twitch muscle mass to keep up over short bursts, you'll like not have the slow twitch to last an entire game in central midfield. It takes an incredible athlete to do both like Essien of old.

In short, we'll not solve the issue by replacing him, only by changing the system.

 

[NQCitizen]

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease. Instead of maybe sticking a foot in or even staying off a few yards, he gets too close and is all hands when put in that position.

Most games he actually gets away with it and uses pulls to great effects to stifle opponents momentum. Referees never seem that keen to punish him.

I've always thought it was largely tactical.

It's tactical to the extent it will break up play with a free kick.

It's not tactical to the extent that pulling a players shirt is a desperate last resort.

You can't say Garcia lets players glide past him with ease and then pulls them back by the shirt, and shorts, because he's tactically astute.. He was a second booking waiting to happen yesterday

No I'm not saying that, but I think he's aware of the consequences of pulling the player, as opposed to being desperate.

He's stopped a lot of attacks for us and never been sent off.

He's obviously not fast, if he was he'd be a nearly complete DM and we wouldn't have got him for what we did. The trouble is most that are as good in the air as him or as immobile.

 

[NQCitizen]

How many are shit slow with the turning circle of an oil tanker?

I like Javi, he can do a job in midfield, but he gets beaten far too easily. As said before, it wasn't just Barkley that walked past him with ease. Instead of maybe sticking a foot in or even staying off a few yards, he gets too close and is all hands when put in that position.

Most games he actually gets away with it and uses pulls to great effects to stifle opponents momentum. Referees never seem that keen to punish him.

I've always thought it was largely tactical.

It's tactical to the extent it will break up play with a free kick.

It's not tactical to the extent that pulling a players shirt is a desperate last resort.

You can't say Garcia lets players glide past him with ease and then pulls them back by the shirt, and shorts, because he's tactically astute.. He was a second booking waiting to happen yesterday

No I'm not saying that, but I think he's aware of the consequences of pulling the player, as opposed to being desperate.

He's stopped a lot of attacks for us and never been sent off.

He's obviously not fast, if he was he'd be a nearly complete DM and we wouldn't have got him for what we did. The trouble is most that are as good in the air as him or as immobile.

 

[pudge]

Most games he actually gets away with it and uses pulls to great effects to stifle opponents momentum. Referees never seem that keen to punish him.

I've always thought it was largely tactical.

It's tactical to the extent it will break up play with a free kick.

It's not tactical to the extent that pulling a players shirt is a desperate last resort.

You can't say Garcia lets players glide past him with ease and then pulls them back by the shirt, and shorts, because he's tactically astute.. He was a second booking waiting to happen yesterday

No I'm not saying that, but I think he's aware of the consequences of pulling the player, as opposed to being desperate.

He's stopped a lot of attacks for us and never been sent off.

He's obviously not fast, if he was he'd be a nearly complete DM and we wouldn't have got him for what we did. The trouble is most that are as good in the air as him or as immobile.

If you dont have the pace to recover, you dont get so close to the player.

Often Javi has to step up and meet the player because he's the only man ahead of the defence, but like yesterday when Fernandinho came on he was still guilty of it. If he has midfield cover then he can give a few yards and make a tackle instead of squaring up to the player and getting beat. Which is why i prefer Dinho AND Garcia to play rather than one.

 

[NQCitizen]

It's tactical to the extent it will break up play with a free kick.

It's not tactical to the extent that pulling a players shirt is a desperate last resort.

You can't say Garcia lets players glide past him with ease and then pulls them back by the shirt, and shorts, because he's tactically astute.. He was a second booking waiting to happen yesterday

No I'm not saying that, but I think he's aware of the consequences of pulling the player, as opposed to being desperate.

He's stopped a lot of attacks for us and never been sent off.

He's obviously not fast, if he was he'd be a nearly complete DM and we wouldn't have got him for what we did. The trouble is most that are as good in the air as him or as immobile.

If you dont have the pace to recover, you dont get so close to the player.

Often Javi has to step up and meet the player because he's the only man ahead of the defence, but like yesterday when Fernandinho came on he was still guilty of it. If he has midfield cover then he can give a few yards and make a tackle instead of squaring up to the player and getting beat. Which is why i prefer Dinho AND Garcia to play rather than one.

I agree. Whoever plays at the base of our midfield is horribly exposed. The back 4 retreat and the 5 ahead of him are usually way up the pitch, it's the one position in our set-up with almost no support. I don't think there's a player on the planet who could do it as successfully as Dinho and even then it's a potential chink in our armour.

 

[eversince 76]

Not brilliant, not bad. Not quick, not slow.
His strenght is the reading of the game, equal to MDM and Fernandinho. Therefore he was chosen to play centreback at the start of the season when both Kompany and MDM were out injured. Well spotted by Pellegrini on such short notice.
Garcia has been twice the player he was last season and it's time we treat him like a more than decent squadplayer and stop looking for a few mistakes. I can pick any Cityplayer and point out his mistakes. So fooking easy.

 

[BlueTG]

Thought he had a decent game. Everton were always going to come at us when playing at Woodison. He couldn't handle the pace of Barkley, but apart from that he did his job very well covering and shielding a lot of the back 4.

I swear this shirt pulling business is only rearing it's head now because he got booked for it and nearly did it in the penalty area.
He's gone since Munich without really having a bad game, or anyone mentioning this shirt pulling thing. If he keeps doing it then fair enough, but some people like to beat some of our players with a stick even when praising them.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Pirlo's fucking slow. I could walk faster than he can sprint but he's one of the best midfielders ever. I've went from hating him because he was slow and passed sideways now I can accept he's not going to create chances for the likes of Aguero and Dzeko, he's going to replicate what Barry did for us but he's better in the air and can play a short pass better.