Javi Garcia

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Smithy34 said:
Get rid this January pleeeeaaase.....................will go down as one of our worst signings

He will,however,in fairness,thats only relative to the quality around him and the benchmark we have now set.

Pre takeover,he would have been a good purchase.
 
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Rammy Blue said:
Rascal said:
My only issue is when a player becomes the brunt of supporter disaffection that can translate itself into negativity which can affect the team. We all have our favorites and people we dont rate as much as others but i guess its my glass half full attitude rather than the glass half empty attitude of many here that i dont understand. Negativity never solves anything. As blues we should know that better than most

As you said earlier, this is what BM is for.

I think Garcia is wank, Dzeko is a lazy lump of shit, Lescott has the touch of a donkey. When I am at the game and they are playing I back them to the hilt, doesn't mean I can't slate them on here as I'll be happy when they move on from our club and are replaced by better players.

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Rammy Blue said:
Rascal said:
My only issue is when a player becomes the brunt of supporter disaffection that can translate itself into negativity which can affect the team. We all have our favorites and people we dont rate as much as others but i guess its my glass half full attitude rather than the glass half empty attitude of many here that i dont understand. Negativity never solves anything. As blues we should know that better than most

As you said earlier, this is what BM is for.

I think Garcia is wank, Dzeko is a lazy lump of shit, Lescott has the touch of a donkey. When I am at the game and they are playing I back them to the hilt, doesn't mean I can't slate them on here as I'll be happy when they move on from our club and are replaced by better players.

I think the annoying thing can be that if anyone came out and said Zabaleta is weak positionally, Richards has little other than strength and speed and Kompany needs to improve his decision making when it comes to tackles they'd be met with a wall of abuse.

Some players can only be praised, some can only be criticised.
 
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Garcia will shut you all up tomorrow, by scoring a hat trick of headers!
 
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NQCitizen said:
I think the annoying thing can be that if anyone came out and said Zabaleta is weak positionally, Richards has little other than strength and speed and Kompany needs to improve his decision making when it comes to tackles they'd be met with a wall of abuse.

Some players can only be praised, some can only be criticised.

Quite simply......

The names you mention above are all superb players,they have far more positive attributes to their game than negatives,they are also players that would grace any club in the Premiership.For those reasons they are rightly praised.
Garcia in comparison is piss poor,he's a liability who unsettles his teammates and causes more problems than he solves.Should he be (hopefully) made available for transfer i would estimate 90% of Prem clubs wouldn't be interested in his 'services' - its nothing personal,and its not his fault,he's just not of the quality required to aid our cause,subsequently,the fact his presence often makes us more vulnerable to defeat is the reason he is criticised.

It isn't complicated.
 
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FantasyIreland said:
NQCitizen said:
I think the annoying thing can be that if anyone came out and said Zabaleta is weak positionally, Richards has little other than strength and speed and Kompany needs to improve his decision making when it comes to tackles they'd be met with a wall of abuse.

Some players can only be praised, some can only be criticised.

Quite simply......

The names you mention above are all superb players,they have far more positive attributes to their game than negatives,they are also players that would grace any club in the Premiership.For those reasons they are rightly praised.
Garcia in comparison is piss poor,he's a liability who unsettles his teammates and causes more problems than he solves.Should he be (hopefully) made available for transfer i would estimate 90% of Prem clubs wouldn't be interested in his 'services' - its nothing personal,and its not his fault,he's just not of the quality required to aid our cause,subsequently,the fact his presence often makes us more vulnerable to defeat is the reason he is criticised.

It isn't complicated.

It's not complicated no, I didn't claim it was. He's good enough to be a squad player for us, which he is.

If he does "unsettle his team mates" he did well to captain a successful team (more successful than we've been) in the Champions League.
 
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NQCitizen said:
FantasyIreland said:
NQCitizen said:
I think the annoying thing can be that if anyone came out and said Zabaleta is weak positionally, Richards has little other than strength and speed and Kompany needs to improve his decision making when it comes to tackles they'd be met with a wall of abuse.

Some players can only be praised, some can only be criticised.

Quite simply......

The names you mention above are all superb players,they have far more positive attributes to their game than negatives,they are also players that would grace any club in the Premiership.For those reasons they are rightly praised.
Garcia in comparison is piss poor,he's a liability who unsettles his teammates and causes more problems than he solves.Should he be (hopefully) made available for transfer i would estimate 90% of Prem clubs wouldn't be interested in his 'services' - its nothing personal,and its not his fault,he's just not of the quality required to aid our cause,subsequently,the fact his presence often makes us more vulnerable to defeat is the reason he is criticised.

It isn't complicated.

It's not complicated no, I didn't claim it was. He's good enough to be a squad player for us, which he is.

If he does "unsettle his team mates" he did well to captain a successful team (more successful than we've been) in the Champions League.

1. He wasn't playing centre half
2. The tempo of the Premier League makes it a radically different beast to continental football. Tenacity, mobility and a modicum of pace are pre-requisites to a degree in English football. If you lack only one of those attributes you can still get away with it. If, like Garcia, you have none of the above, you are up shit creek.
3. He wasn't deployed in a system that accentuates his shortcomings. Having to defend on the halfway line when you have such a phenomenal lack of pace, is a recipe for disaster.
4. There is no "if" in terms of whether or not he unsettles his team mates (as a centre half). Cardiff was a case in point, with Zabaleta and Clichy forced to sit back and cover, their usual attacking instincts neutered.

You can dress it up all you want, you can employ whatever straw man arguments you want about what he did at other clubs and how the manager knows best etc etc, but it won't change the fact that at this level, as a centre half (and I stress as a centre half, lest the debate should be steered to what a dependable squad player he is), he is a complete and utter liability. He gets caught flat footed, he gets dragged out of position, he loses the player he's meant to be marking far too frequently, the simplest of long balls over his head causes all manner of problems, he frequently has to try and wrestle with opponents to compensate for the lack of pace, when he has players trapped in tight situations they invariably manage to wriggle past him and so on and so on and so on.
 
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