joe hart

[baildon blue]

Joe looked a lot better on Saturday against Hull . He wasn't as flappy at corners on Saturday . I hope he plays like that at Stoke where he will be tested a lot more at set pieces .

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Might have already been said but didn't Peter Schmeichel come out and say something along the lines of that people are quick to judge Hart whenever we concede a goal and that he's still one of the best out there??? The guy has something against City so if he said that about Hart he must know deep down that his few mistakes he's made in the last year are nothing to worry about?

Look at Neuer against Chelsea the other week made a right fook up against Hazard and that's only 1 fook up most of us know about he might have dropped a few clangers in the past in the league and he's still regarded as another great goalkeeper. Both in their mid 20's so are still yet to have their best years of football.

Keepers fuck up it happens but I'd be more worried if it was a common occurrence.

I was cheering Joe's catches and punches on Saturday and hopefully this is the start of a return to form.

However, Joe is not in the same league as Neuer who I have seen play a lot of times. A case in point is that people can highlight one or two mistakes amongst Neuer's many excellent performances. In contrast, Joe's biggest supporters on here highlight a a few good games he had last season when this level of performance should be the norm for our and England's number one.

 

[stonerblue]

just thought i'd bring up DeGea's kicking yesterday. Sunday morning stuff.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

just thought i'd bring up DeGea's kicking yesterday. Sunday morning stuff.

Yeah, how's his dandruff?

 

[BlueTG]

Just wish he would be more vocal, I want to hear him screaming at the back four o push out, when he's coming for a cross or keeping the back line in order when necessary.

The south stand are normally the ones telling the back four to push the line up and get our own box after clearing

Good, solid performance from him after a tough few weeks, keep it up Hart.

 

[stonerblue]

just thought i'd bring up DeGea's kicking yesterday. Sunday morning stuff.

Yeah, how's his dandruff?

he was sporting a stunning mullet/mohican hybrid hairdo so i'm guessing he's problem free in that department.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

just thought i'd bring up DeGea's kicking yesterday. Sunday morning stuff.

Yeah, how's his dandruff?

he was sporting a stunning mullet/mohican hybrid hairdo so i'm guessing he's problem free in that department.

Glad to hear it! So the only flakes in his life are his team-mates....

 

[Mr. Aguia]

I think Hart has a tough job. He's very rarely involved in any game, more than any other PL team as far as I can tell. Tough to stay in games mentaly when you stand around for 90% of the game. For me his issues started after Mancini told him to shut up in the media after the Madrid game. It was after that everyone in the media started saying Joe was too big for his britches and was going to take a tumble. Became a self fullfilling profecy. I think he's lost some confidence and it's tough to build it back up when you are rarely tested. When he is it's built up even more pressure. He just seems to be focused on all the wrong things tactically. Too worried about the guys in the box on corners insteadould be of tracking the ball. So the problems should be fixable.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I think Hart has a tough job. He's very rarely involved in any game, more than any other PL team as far as I can tell. Tough to stay in games mentaly when you stand around for 90% of the game. For me his issues started after Mancini told him to shut up in the media after the Madrid game. It was after that everyone in the media started saying Joe was too big for his britches and was going to take a tumble. Became a self fullfilling profecy. I think he's lost some confidence and it's tough to build it back up when you are rarely tested. When he is it's built up even more pressure. He just seems to be focused on all the wrong things tactically. Too worried about the guys in the box on corners insteadould be of tracking the ball. So the problems should be fixable.

If your ideas are true then it is a shame that Joe blamed the defence for the Madrid defeat that led to Mancin's comments. Joe also felt it was his role to criticise Aguero's performance against Liverpool. Both should have kept it in the dressing room.

If Joe is good enough then he will bounce back better than ever. His Head and Shoulders and Catwalk media exposure suggests he isn't lacking too much confidence or is covering it up very well.

 

[grahamgor]

One of Joe Hart's main problems is his nationality.Due to the media's desire for a heroic English keeper, a merely good performance will be wildly praised and any slip-up will be magnified out of all proportion.In addition, being English makes him a magnet for advertisers and lures him into the showbiz world where image is everything and hard work doesn't count.
Pellegrini has warned him he's not an automatic choice over Pantelimon without going so far as to ask the DOF to sign Begovic from Stoke-which Roberto Mancini reportedly did.So Hart knows he's got to work hard with the new coach, Mancesidor, to boost his command of his area and not rely on his spectacular shot-stopping.
It was interesting to see Schmeichel stand up for him on MOTD but also give him a free tutorial on defending corners.If Joe taped it and replays it from time to time, we should all see the benefit!

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Funny thing is the media say he has no competition for his place in the national side...... Is this Hart's fault that no other keeper can rise to his level? The most insulting thing was they even had a nerve to mention some of the past keepers for England who had competition this included mentioning David James and Paul fucking Robinson who both lost form when they became England regulars!

Best thing would be Hart being dropped from the national side so 1) people can appreciate how good he is when they've got Ben Foster to rely on and 2) that fucking England goalkeeper shirt is fucking cursed!!

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Does anyone know how many career clean sheets joe has in the premier league?

 

[mat]

Funny thing is the media say he has no competition for his place in the national side...... Is this Hart's fault that no other keeper can rise to his level? The most insulting thing was they even had a nerve to mention some of the past keepers for England who had competition this included mentioning David James and Paul fucking Robinson who both lost form when they became England regulars!

Best thing would be Hart being dropped from the national side so 1) people can appreciate how good he is when they've got Ben Foster to rely on and 2) that fucking England goalkeeper shirt is fucking cursed!!

He did have but they were too arrogant to fight for the NO 1 position and retired. Symptomatic of a lot English players mentality.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

the same old story a goal keeper is only as good as his defense the understanding between rio terry and joe was good .but that's gone now its trial and error as for us bobby asked more from his defense last season it did not work but joe kept his golden gloves he is the best goalie in Britain but does need to improve reactions kicking and commanding the box .maybe just maybe this has more to do with citys face on tv. sponsors pay according to how much tv time they get and positive views if you give 1 point for every view 2 points for every positive view and -1 point for every negative view put that formula to sky bt espn or bbc the result are shocking well perhaps not with the rags shown every advert on sky and mentioned every day on sky sports news the fa should put a stop to these unfair practices but anyway this is why the media mainly the telegraph has relentlessly attacked citys defense mainly joe<br /><br />-- Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:29 pm --<br /><br />the same old story a goal keeper is only as good as his defense the understanding between rio terry and joe was good .but that's gone now its trial and error as for us bobby asked more from his defense last season it did not work but joe kept his golden gloves he is the best goalie in Britain but does need to improve reactions kicking and commanding the box .maybe just maybe this has more to do with citys face on tv. sponsors pay according to how much tv time they get and positive views if you give 1 point for every view 2 points for every positive view and -1 point for every negative view put that formula to sky bt espn or bbc the result are shocking well perhaps not with the rags shown every advert on sky and mentioned every day on sky sports news the fa should put a stop to these unfair practices but anyway this is why the media mainly the telegraph has relentlessly attacked citys defense mainly joe

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Funny thing is the media say he has no competition for his place in the national side...... Is this Hart's fault that no other keeper can rise to his level? The most insulting thing was they even had a nerve to mention some of the past keepers for England who had competition this included mentioning David James and Paul fucking Robinson who both lost form when they became England regulars!

Best thing would be Hart being dropped from the national side so 1) people can appreciate how good he is when they've got Ben Foster to rely on and 2) that fucking England goalkeeper shirt is fucking cursed!!

spot on about competition.
They snipe and grind down new keepers week in, week out.

1 Goalkeeper first picked by the Fabio Capello
Joe Hart
Manchester City.1 June 2008 3-0 vs. Trinidad & Tobago (sub on)

2 Goalkeepers first picked by the Roy Hodgson
Jack Butland
Birmingham City. 15 August 2012 2-1 vs. Italy (sub off) 19 158 45 min
108 John Ruddy
Norwich City. August 2012 2-1 vs. Italy (sub on) 25 296 45 min

before that there was 3 Goalkeepers first picked by the Steve McClaren
Chris Kirkland. 16 August 2006 4-0 vs. Greece (sub on)

Ben Foster. 7 February 2007 0-1 vs. Spain - 29 May 2013 1-1 vs. Republic of Ireland

Scott Carson
16 November 2007 1-0 vs. Austria - 15 November 2011 1-0 vs. Sweden (sub on)

Under Sven it was Rob Green and Paul Robinson **41 caps**

Keegan picked Richard Wright

Glenn Hoddle picked David James **53 caps**

Venables selected Ian Walker

Graham Taylor chose Tim Flowers **helped bring Hart to City** and Nigel Martyn

Most managers in charge overlapped previously chosen keepers but for one thig or another, there is never enough competition. If anything, more keepers have been selected in recent years.

The press are too eager to slate the men between the sticks. Everyone makes mistakes but when your team does not dominate 'keepers gaffs stick out more and more.

There are only 2 keepers capped more than Hart in the keepers I mentioned, which says alot. Statistically there are 103 minutes between goals concedes by Hart... Ian Walker manages 169mins (he played 4 times); Robinson manages 151 across 41 games etc. Stats'll show you anything and everything but won't factor in the opposition, playing conditions, type of ball used etc.

Of all the 'keepers in my lifetime Hart is number 1. For club and country. And he'll get better.

 

[BlueTG]

Does anyone know how many career clean sheets joe has in the premier league?

Can find anything on it, cba to trawl through every season and games he played in but if anyone could somehow find it, it'd be interesting to see

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Right after some research Hart has 79 Premier League clean sheets.

10 for Birmingham
69 for us

203 Premier League games 79 clean sheets or

167 Premier League games for Manchester City and 69 clean sheets

Its not bad

 

[pudge]

Does anyone know how many career clean sheets joe has in the premier league?

Can find anything on it, cba to trawl through every season and games he played in but if anyone could somehow find it, it'd be interesting to see

79 according to the Premier leagues official Site.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Does anyone know how many career clean sheets joe has in the premier league?

Can find anything on it, cba to trawl through every season and games he played in but if anyone could somehow find it, it'd be interesting to see

79 according to the Premier leagues official Site.

Woohooo I was right, see above

 

[George Hannah]

Right after some research Hart has 79 Premier League clean sheets.

10 for Birmingham
69 for us

203 Premier League games 79 clean sheets or

167 Premier League games for Manchester City and 69 clean sheets

Its not bad

any other keeper got a better average? A couple I expect - the likes of Van der Sar (but he was at Fulham for a long time!)

recently Joe is top banana apparently

Who is the best Premier League goalkeeper?

Are clean sheets a dirty metric for rating goalkeepers?

By Jack Ratcliffe Apr 2, 2013

For soccer teams, goalkeepers are a vital last line of defence. The difference between having a good keeper between the sticks and having a bad one could be tens of goals a season. But how can you identify which keepers are the best – and how does this affect your betting?
The most popular metric for measuring goalkeeper success is “clean sheets”. You hear about it almost every week from football pundits, and while not letting the opposition score is important, it’s not the ultimate indicator of a goalkeeper’s ability.

Let’s compare No.1′s from two very different sides – Man City and QPR. Joe Hart (City) has an impressive 13 clean sheets – the most in the league – while Julio Cesar (QPR) has just 5. If this were the only metric we examined, it would be obvious the Hart was the stronger keeper.


A slightly more accurate statistic would be if we factored in the number of games each player has played – 29 vs. 21. Now Hart’s achievements seem even more impressive. The Laser Blue ends games with a clean slate 44.8% of the time, while Cesar manages it on just 23.8% of occasions.

This is only part of the picture, however, because in those 21 games, Cesar made 84 saves – far more than Hart’s 49. He’s also only conceded five more goals than the City star, despite playing for relegation-battlers QPR.

Religiously following clean sheet charts totally negate other, even more important statistics, and can cause people to overvalue the ability of goalkeepers – particularly at top clubs.

The table to the left shows that seven of the 10 keepers with the best clean sheet percentage come from the “big” Premier League clubs. Only John Ruddy (Norwich City), Asmir Begovic (Stoke City) and Simon Mignolet (Sunderland) stand out – potentially something to note when they’re on the field.


Better indicators? Shots per goal & saves per goal

Although less glamorous and more difficult to come by, researching the shots per goal conceded and saves per goal will give you a better picture of a goalkeeper’s ability.

Shots per goal conceded is a good indicator of both how well a goalkeeper can stop shots, as well as how good he is at organising his defence to minimise optimal scoring chances.

There is potential for biases for both good and bad teams in this indicator – good teams might be more adept at preventing clear-cut shots (increasing the number of shots per goal), while at the other end of the spectrum, worse teams might face more opportunistic strikers, hoping to exploit a worst team with speculative shots.

The latter reason might explain why the table to the left is dominated by teams from lower down the table – Swansea, WBA, Stoke, Southampton, Sunderland, QPR and West Ham. Even more interestingly, it shows that Paulo Gazzaniga, Southampton’s No. 2, actually has the seventh best performance in the league.


Saves Per Goal

The most objective indicator of goalkeeper performance could be saves per goal. This eliminates the two biases for shots per goal, as the No. 1 has to physically block the ball from going into his goal to be counted.

Interestingly, it’s actually Gerhard Tremmel of Swansea City that leads the rankings with 4.7 saves per goal. Two of the goalkeepers widely considered the best in the league – David De Gea and Petr Cech – came in second and third at 3.9 and 3.6 SPG each.

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