joe hart

[JoeMercer'sWay]

and you think sending a premiership goal keeper and England international to the dregs of English football would keep him out of the limelight and not make him depressed?!

OMFG you need a job as a motivational speaker!!!!!

You give him the choice of rotting at Carrington, as that is what will happen till he leaves permanently.

Or you give him the chance to go home to his favourite club, back to fans who'll appreciate him just being there and adore him and there'll be a huge lift there and that will reflect back on Joe and give him some confidence. He can rediscover what made him tick as a young lad, recall fond memories and get some games under his belt against cannon fodder opposition, but back to basics and in games that will keep him busy.

Sometimes you have to get yourself out of a rut and take a radical step to change something in your life, and take a step back to go much further forwards. At the end of the day if he's at Carrington he's not playing and not exorcising those clear demons and lack of confidence that stems from his mistakes.

It's easy to dismiss it but people always say they "can't" do something, and that's why they end up in mediocrity or not as good as they should have been.

People who take that next step, take the risk, give something a go find a new side to themselves and become a better and more rounded person.

He needs to find himself and he won't do that in training, and he won't do it playing second fiddle to a guy who's played second fiddle to him for 2 seasons.

-- Oct 3rd, '13, 12:24 --

Do you not think the press would send reporters to report on England's number 1 playing League 2 football?


Last night was the first time I wanted Hart replace, Casillas would be my choice. Would avoid Valdes as he'll need time to adjust to the likes of Huth, Terry, Lukaku putting him under pressure.

Course they would, but you don't think they'll be lining the driveway at Carrington and printing stories about the end of his City and England career if he gets dropped anyway? He'll have media whatever he does, he might as well be brave about it.

I agree with your sentiment. Unfortunately though, the media would not allow this to happen without ripping it/him/us to shreds. Therefore it's a no-go.

fuck the media, they'd be licking our arses at the World Cup when the resurrection of Joe Hart ends with 3 penalty saves in the knockout stages to drag Hodgson's amoeba far beyond where it deserves to be.

As it is, they'll end up with Forster or Ruddy and like all inexperienced keepers they'll fuck up, and everyone will wish they'd been supportive of our best keeper than fucking him off.

 

[smeeagain]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

 

[Robinho's Subbuteo]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

Hart is supposed to be a top class keeper.

 

[Dubai Blue]

If he was an outfield player he would have been subbed.

This is getting ridiculous now. The manager allowed the rest of the team to play like complete twats for 60 mins before making a change, so I don't see how you can make that claim.

He conceded two goals to powerful shots that he got his hands to. Yes, he should have done better with them and I'm sure he knows that, but they weren't the sort of howlers that a lot of people are making them out to be.

The headline sports news on TalkShite is that Hart's England place is now under scrutiny because he made two mistakes for City that resulted in two goals being conceded. If you hadn't seen the actual goals you'd have images in your head of him letting the ball dribble between his legs or dropping it in the goal from a corner.

There are much, MUCH more pressing issues behind our defeat last night than Hart's performance.

 

[Anonymous]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

'd have expected

It was a stunning shot , but it was from distance and you'd expect a goalkeeper of Harts quality to have saved that ........ he was angry with himself immediately afterwards because he knew he really SHOULD have done.

 

[Swiftfoot]

Not to slag Joe off but he's fallen far short of what we know he can achieve. For all those saying he is the best keeper in the EPL, note that what counts isn't potential ability but current form. And on current form, I'd say keepers such as Mignolet are performing at a much higher level than Joe Hart. If all of our outfield players can be substituted and rotated when not performing at their top level then why should Joe be an exception? Look at Nasri for instance. When he doesn't turn up, he doesn't get to play the next match.

Joe's not shit, but ultimately throwing the 'best in the EPL' and 'top class keeper' right now seems rather at odds with his recent performances. Including those for over a year now.

 

[CatMan]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

Deary me! I suspect you are winding us up; If not I fear for your mental health!

In short Hart incompetence was the root cause of ALL 3 goals!

For the 2nd goal and when under no pressure, he booted the ball away into the midfield and never City never touched it again until we picked it out of our net after an equally pathetic effort to deal with Muller one on one.

The importance of Hart's position cannot be over emphasised in quelling opposition pressure by selective and controlled distribution. In short the opposition find it damn hard to score if they don't have the ball. Last night we were losing the ball cheaply and not seeing it again for 2-3 minutes. A good proportion of those turnovers back to Bayern were down to his complete lack of composure and his stupidity in just booting the ball away in blind panic.

Put bluntly, his core level of ability (and I am not talking about whether he is in form or not) is way below what we need as a goalkeeper at this level of football. He simply cannot control, compose and then distribute by either his hands nor feet to anything like what is required. This coupled with his flawed ability to save shots or come for crosses is simply not tenable.

Furthermore, anyone who continues to defend his selection is doing so out of blind loyalty rather than what is best for our club. He must be dropped and considering his fundamental flaws, I for one would not be remotely concerned if he never wore a City shirt again.

 

[OB1]

Time to take him out of the firing line. Problem is that I am not convinced by Pants.

 

[Sheikh Rattle n Roll]

He hasn't gone from hero to zero, but dropping him on Saturday will do him no harm at all, certainly didn't do Joe Corrigan any harm. Hart will come back stronger and more focused. Hopefully he will be dropped by England as well, he certainly needs a kick up the back side because on his day there are not too many better than him, see Dortmund last year for City or Brazil for England this year.

 

[smeeagain]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

Deary me! I suspect you are winding us up; If not I fear for your mental health!

In short Hart incompetence was the root cause of ALL 3 goals!

For the 2nd goal and when under no pressure, he booted the ball away into the midfield and never City never touched it again until we picked it out of our net after an equally pathetic effort to deal with Muller one on one.

The importance of Hart's position cannot be over emphasised in quelling opposition pressure by selective and controlled distribution. In short the opposition find it damn hard to score if they don't have the ball. Last night we were losing the ball cheaply and not seeing it again for 2-3 minutes. A good proportion of those turnovers back to Bayern were down to his complete lack of composure and his stupidity in just booting the ball away in blind panic.

Put bluntly, his core level of ability (and I am not talking about whether he is in form or not) is way below what we need as a goalkeeper at this level of football. He simply cannot control, compose and then distribute by either his hands nor feet to anything like what is required. This coupled with his flawed ability to save shots or come for crosses is simply not tenable.

Furthermore, anyone who continues to defend his selection is doing so out of blind loyalty rather than what is best for our club. He must be dropped and considering his fundamental flaws, I for one would not be remotely concerned if he never wore a City shirt again.

thats me off to the mental hospital then ,thanks for your diagnosis

 

[chelseaaway84]

joe hart is a quality keeper who is possibly going through a tricky patch

hes still very young for a keeper and is obviously learning all the time, at present its a difficult learning curve but over the course of a season hart saves us miles more times than he lets us down

what is needed now is a top class reaction from us fans at every game he plays and let us try and help boost his confidence, we are a club on the up but still some way from europes best but we will get there sooner than later, Bayern were quality and in some ways a pleasure to watch

lets start again Saturday backing every player and manager

come on city

 

[CatMan]

that shot of ribery,s was really fierce tho ! and right on target in the corner
if it was saved it would of been described as top class

Deary me! I suspect you are winding us up; If not I fear for your mental health!

In short Hart incompetence was the root cause of ALL 3 goals!

For the 2nd goal and when under no pressure, he booted the ball away into the midfield and never City never touched it again until we picked it out of our net after an equally pathetic effort to deal with Muller one on one.

The importance of Hart's position cannot be over emphasised in quelling opposition pressure by selective and controlled distribution. In short the opposition find it damn hard to score if they don't have the ball. Last night we were losing the ball cheaply and not seeing it again for 2-3 minutes. A good proportion of those turnovers back to Bayern were down to his complete lack of composure and his stupidity in just booting the ball away in blind panic.

Put bluntly, his core level of ability (and I am not talking about whether he is in form or not) is way below what we need as a goalkeeper at this level of football. He simply cannot control, compose and then distribute by either his hands nor feet to anything like what is required. This coupled with his flawed ability to save shots or come for crosses is simply not tenable.

Furthermore, anyone who continues to defend his selection is doing so out of blind loyalty rather than what is best for our club. He must be dropped and considering his fundamental flaws, I for one would not be remotely concerned if he never wore a City shirt again.

thats me off to the mental hospital then ,thanks for your diagnosis

lol. No offence meant and i'm sure none taken :-)

 

[Freestyler]

It's not a confidence issue, it's basic goalkeeping.

That goalkeeping for the third goal was horrendous, not to mention the fact there was hardly any pace on the shot either.

Getting too big for his boots, has been for a while. Needs a wake up call, needs dropping and reminding that he's not invincible. If Hart wasn't English he'd be getting even more criticism.

Why should a goalkeeper be any different to an outfield player? mistakes cost goals, goals lose you matches. This applies with Hart, he's a great goalkeeper and a fantastic shot stopper. But it's time he was given a reality check and a big kick up the arse and that will only come by dropping him.

 

[johnbmcr]

joe hart is a quality keeper who is possibly going through a tricky patch

hes still very young for a keeper and is obviously learning all the time, at present its a difficult learning curve but over the course of a season hart saves us miles more times than he lets us down

what is needed now is a top class reaction from us fans at every game he plays and let us try and help boost his confidence, we are a club on the up but still some way from europes best but we will get there sooner than later, Bayern were quality and in some ways a pleasure to watch

lets start again Saturday backing every player and manager

come on city

have to disagree he doesn't seem to learn and the comments on here about his boozing are back

do you recall when bobby came? picked out Jonno and hart for being piss heads

no good having a hungover keeper that is making the same mistake that's not learning and we cannot shout or chant Joe better thats just collusion with a big big problem we have

 

[kp789]

It's not a confidence issue, it's basic goalkeeping.

That goalkeeping for the third goal was horrendous, not to mention the fact there was hardly any pace on the shot either.

Getting too big for his boots, has been for a while. Needs a wake up call, needs dropping and reminding that he's not invincible. If Hart wasn't English he'd be getting even more criticism.

Why should a goalkeeper be any different to an outfield player? mistakes cost goals, goals lose you matches. This applies with Hart, he's a great goalkeeper and a fantastic shot stopper. But it's time he was given a reality check and a big kick up the arse and that will only come by dropping him.

Answered your own question here. They are and should be different because they are in the lime light a lot more than outfield players when making mistakes. Ok, Hart should have done far better for all three goals, but lets use Robbens goal for an example. Had Fernandinho not lost the ball, Bayern would not have had that opportunity, his mistake lead to the goal, but people are first to blame the goalkeeper and not the outfield player. You could argue that that is what the keeper is therefore, but still.

That said, Joe needs to get his concentration and his mojo back and get out of this tricky patch. Will a spell on the sidelines help? I dont know. A few EDS games? Maybe.

 

[gelly]

He needs to stop all those extra projects he's doing and focus purely on football.

 

[the originalkippaxman]

Unfortunately at the moment Joe is not the Goalkeeper that will help us win trophies. If you look back at our success such as his save on Kenwyne Jones v Stoke in the Cup final which helped us lift our first trophy we had wanted for so long. Also his performances in our Title winning season. He was reliable throughout and I can not recall a bad game that he had.

We can go back till middle of last season when you could see a difference in his game and no surprise as with a lot of other factors it did not help us defend our title. I however will take a look at this Season so far and for me he has been our biggest disappointment.

Cardiff away he should have controlled his box better was caught up in a tug and war with defenders. Which led to him missing punching the ball out for the 3rd goal.

Villa at fault for the free kick and as controversial as it may be I think he could have done a lot more for their 3rd. Sometimes you have to take one for the team.

Pointless me mentioning last night we all know what happened. What I will say is we have lost 3 competitive games so far this year (pre season in some where as bad) and no surprise Joe has been at fault in all of them costing us.

There is a time when you stand by your players and support them and there is a time that the team has to come first. I am not sure Pants is the best alternative but he is the only one we have.

 

[Maineman55]

Not to slag Joe off but he's fallen far short of what we know he can achieve. For all those saying he is the best keeper in the EPL, note that what counts isn't potential ability but current form. And on current form, I'd say keepers such as Mignolet are performing at a much higher level than Joe Hart. If all of our outfield players can be substituted and rotated when not performing at their top level then why should Joe be an exception? Look at Nasri for instance. When he doesn't turn up, he doesn't get to play the next match.

Joe's not shit, but ultimately throwing the 'best in the EPL' and 'top class keeper' right now seems rather at odds with his recent performances. Including those for over a year now.

Spot on !

 

[Super David Silva 21]

England Manager Roy Hodgson ''as far as I'm concerned Joe Hart is my number 1, he has never let me down.'' He will start against Montenegro.

 

[jared]

bastards

Made worse by the gloating and laughing from Martin Tyler. I really wanted to punch that old **** in the mouth. At least Gary Neville was professional