joe hart

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Whitefield Blue said:
Jumanji said:
Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

Absolute nonsense. If he would've stood in the middle of the goal and the free kick would've been put into the opposite corner, the same people would be slagging him off for not protecting 'his' side of the goal.

Sometimes a free kick is bent expertly into the top corner and it is nobody's fault. This is one of those.
IIRC, it didn't go in the corner until it hit the net. It was savable.

A worse FK than Rooney's and Hart got almost a full hand to that one.
 
The trouble with Joe is he is our most complacent player he is the only one who has not got competition for his place.

He was so slow off the line for the third he must have six inch studs
 
I don't think he is an amazing keeper. If he was in a mid table team he would make even more errors as would face more shots. Same for England, he seems to make a mistake every other game???

A lot of keepers, weaver, Richard wright, foster are talked about as the next Gordon banks and tail off as they get older. Maybe this is the case with hart????
 
Jumanji said:
Whitefield Blue said:
Jumanji said:
Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

Absolute nonsense. If he would've stood in the middle of the goal and the free kick would've been put into the opposite corner, the same people would be slagging him off for not protecting 'his' side of the goal.

Sometimes a free kick is bent expertly into the top corner and it is nobody's fault. This is one of those.
IIRC, it didn't go in the corner until it hit the net. It was savable.

A worse FK than Rooney's and Hart got almost a full hand to that one.

Rooney's was about 5 yards further out plus hit at similar pace so there was a lot longer to react to it.
 
Just watched the MOTD repeat and it is interesting to compare Hart & Speroni playing for Palace. Both failed to save free kicks from a similar distance but I fancy if Speroni had been in our goal against Villa they wouldn't have equalised.
 
To be fair to him he has been much better in recent games.

Yesterday he wasn't top notch but he can't be blamed for Nastasic playing like a schoolboy
 
WBA had a free kick in a similar position, a little further back, and De Gea made the save in the top right hand corner. The original position of the goal keepers seems similar but De Gea quicly took two steps to the right and saved.



United had four in the main wall which allowed de gea to see the free kick off the boot. City had six in the main wall plus a villa player so Joe did not see the ball until it rose above the wall, giving him no chance of saving it.

You would think if Joe could not see the ball off the boot his positioning should be central rather than leaving two thirds of the goal open to his right hand side.

Its interesting looking at the free kicks together.
 
It's not about our defenders being more to blame than Joe for that defeat, the point is you need a goalkeeper who pulls you out of the shit and wins you games you might otherwise have lost. Schmeicel and Shilton were keepers who were worth at least twenty points a season just from the saves that they made when their defenders were struggling. Yesterday if we had had a keeper on top of his game ,he would have saved us from our tendency to implode defensively by stopping the second goal (better positioning) and third goal(better timing of run or stay on line and save). That's the difference a keeper can make.
 
Good keeper is our joe, but fwiw IMO he needs to sort 2 things
1. His foot movement when setting himself for shots needs improving ASAP
2. His setting up of walls at set plays.
 
I have often wondered why walls don't move sideways to distract the taker. Too often a static wall just seems to give the taker something to work with by forcing the keeper to leave one side of goal unguarded.
 
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