joe hart

[Anonymous]

Watched highlight again his positioning for Villa's free kick was very bad.

It wasn't good , but neither was the needless free kick that Nastasic stupidly gave away to put Joe under pressure .......

 

[lancs blue]

feel he's been made a scapegoat.

Yes he's made mistakes.
Yes he's had a poor year.
Yes he could and should do better.

but ultimately...

we know how good he is.
players in outfield positions have been as mediocre (the likes of Silva and Nasri etc.)
he needs time with the new keeping coach to work on issues and build a rapport.
the last goalkeeping coach was with him 3 years and didn't resolve any of Hart's weaknesses, a coach who was appointed by a manager who then decided he wanted shot when his coach had failed him.
He's England's #1, our #1, home grown and needs something that English players rarely get and that's support instead of slating.

and even if you want to be cynical:

We'd need to sign another English or produce another one to replace him in our quota. There aren't any available that are good enough.

There's a world class keeper in there, he needs time, patience, support and an improved coaching structure around it. Hopefully Pelle and his boys can deliver on that and keep his feet on the ground and get him back on track.

I'm going to back him. I know Casillas has been muted but I wouldn't swap Hart for any keeper, there's no need, all there's need for is a good coaching setup around him and proper management. With that our world class players will start showing that again.

I agree with the highlighted bit but while he's "getting back on track" are we going to lose more games because we keep picking him? It's an even more relevant question when the defence in front of him is going AWOL with alarming regularity - in those situations we need a keeper at the top of his game.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

feel he's been made a scapegoat.

Yes he's made mistakes.
Yes he's had a poor year.
Yes he could and should do better.

but ultimately...

we know how good he is.
players in outfield positions have been as mediocre (the likes of Silva and Nasri etc.)
he needs time with the new keeping coach to work on issues and build a rapport.
the last goalkeeping coach was with him 3 years and didn't resolve any of Hart's weaknesses, a coach who was appointed by a manager who then decided he wanted shot when his coach had failed him.
He's England's #1, our #1, home grown and needs something that English players rarely get and that's support instead of slating.

and even if you want to be cynical:

We'd need to sign another English or produce another one to replace him in our quota. There aren't any available that are good enough.

There's a world class keeper in there, he needs time, patience, support and an improved coaching structure around it. Hopefully Pelle and his boys can deliver on that and keep his feet on the ground and get him back on track.

I'm going to back him. I know Casillas has been muted but I wouldn't swap Hart for any keeper, there's no need, all there's need for is a good coaching setup around him and proper management. With that our world class players will start showing that again.

I agree with the highlighted bit but while he's "getting back on track" are we going to lose more games because we keep picking him? It's an even more relevant question when the defence in front of him is going AWOL with alarming regularity - in those situations we need a keeper at the top of his game.

We just need the outfield players to do their jobs away from home for once.

Not a lot Pants would have done with those goals imo, he may have got lucky with one because of his size but genes are not a reason to drop your #1 keeper.

 

[CitizenTID]

Sometimes Joe is phenomenal coming out and stopping 1v1s. When he comes out further than he should he looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

 

[Anonymous]

The way we threw the game away smacked of a lack of professionalism and self control ...... it's a fair bet that Arsenal wouldn't have thrown that lead away today , and Spurs knocked four goals in there in midweek.

Villa werepoor ,and scored with practically the ONLY chances that they had ..... whilst we could easily have had eight or nine goals if we'd been more clinical in front of goal.

We had 67% of the possession today , and 20 shots to their 8 (BBC Stats) .... but somehow we lost a game we definitely ought to have won.

 

[Gareth Barry Manilow]

The way we threw the game away smacked of a lack of professionalism and self control ...... it's a fair bet that Arsenal wouldn't have thrown that lead away , and Chelsea knocked four goals in there in midweek.

Villa werepoor ,and scored with practically the ONLY chances that they had ..... whilst we could easily have had eight or nine goals if we'd been more clinical in front of goal.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ntzwDwH9g[/youtube]

 

[Anonymous]

The way we threw the game away smacked of a lack of professionalism and self control ...... it's a fair bet that Arsenal wouldn't have thrown that lead away , and Spurs knocked four goals in there in midweek.

Villa werepoor ,and scored with practically the ONLY chances that they had ..... whilst we could easily have had eight or nine goals if we'd been more clinical in front of goal.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ntzwDwH9g[/youtube]

Start of the season wobble , Villas biggest , and probably only , highlight ..... hardly likely to happen now though , is it ??

And , to be honest , i really meant away from home with the sides in their current form .... .

 

[bluemc]

feel he's been made a scapegoat.

Yes he's made mistakes.
Yes he's had a poor year.
Yes he could and should do better.

but ultimately...

we know how good he is.
players in outfield positions have been as mediocre (the likes of Silva and Nasri etc.)
he needs time with the new keeping coach to work on issues and build a rapport.
the last goalkeeping coach was with him 3 years and didn't resolve any of Hart's weaknesses, a coach who was appointed by a manager who then decided he wanted shot when his coach had failed him.
He's England's #1, our #1, home grown and needs something that English players rarely get and that's support instead of slating.

and even if you want to be cynical:

We'd need to sign another English or produce another one to replace him in our quota. There aren't any available that are good enough.

There's a world class keeper in there, he needs time, patience, support and an improved coaching structure around it. Hopefully Pelle and his boys can deliver on that and keep his feet on the ground and get him back on track.

I'm going to back him. I know Casillas has been muted but I wouldn't swap Hart for any keeper, there's no need, all there's need for is a good coaching setup around him and proper management. With that our world class players will start showing that again.

Is this based on alleged David Platt quotes that the man himself took to twitter to confirm were not true?

Yet to see the highlights of today's game but I'm sure Joe isn't the sole reason we lost this game. I'm sure though that Kolarov is relieved not to be this weeks scapegoat.

 

[Jumanji]

Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

 

[Whitefield Blue]

Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

Absolute nonsense. If he would've stood in the middle of the goal and the free kick would've been put into the opposite corner, the same people would be slagging him off for not protecting 'his' side of the goal.

Sometimes a free kick is bent expertly into the top corner and it is nobody's fault. This is one of those.

 

[Jumanji]

Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

Absolute nonsense. If he would've stood in the middle of the goal and the free kick would've been put into the opposite corner, the same people would be slagging him off for not protecting 'his' side of the goal.

Sometimes a free kick is bent expertly into the top corner and it is nobody's fault. This is one of those.

IIRC, it didn't go in the corner until it hit the net. It was savable.

A worse FK than Rooney's and Hart got almost a full hand to that one.

 

[BlueRockape]

The trouble with Joe is he is our most complacent player he is the only one who has not got competition for his place.

He was so slow off the line for the third he must have six inch studs

 

[worsleyweb]

I don't think he is an amazing keeper. If he was in a mid table team he would make even more errors as would face more shots. Same for England, he seems to make a mistake every other game???

A lot of keepers, weaver, Richard wright, foster are talked about as the next Gordon banks and tail off as they get older. Maybe this is the case with hart????

 

[Whitefield Blue]

Just saw that FK again, pretty shocking positioning from England's No. 1. It looks like he saw it late, but that's not an excuse either.

Absolute nonsense. If he would've stood in the middle of the goal and the free kick would've been put into the opposite corner, the same people would be slagging him off for not protecting 'his' side of the goal.

Sometimes a free kick is bent expertly into the top corner and it is nobody's fault. This is one of those.

IIRC, it didn't go in the corner until it hit the net. It was savable.

A worse FK than Rooney's and Hart got almost a full hand to that one.

Rooney's was about 5 yards further out plus hit at similar pace so there was a lot longer to react to it.

 

[George Hannah]

Just watched the MOTD repeat and it is interesting to compare Hart & Speroni playing for Palace. Both failed to save free kicks from a similar distance but I fancy if Speroni had been in our goal against Villa they wouldn't have equalised.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

To be fair to him he has been much better in recent games.

Yesterday he wasn't top notch but he can't be blamed for Nastasic playing like a schoolboy

 

[fredmont]

WBA had a free kick in a similar position, a little further back, and De Gea made the save in the top right hand corner. The original position of the goal keepers seems similar but De Gea quicly took two steps to the right and saved.



United had four in the main wall which allowed de gea to see the free kick off the boot. City had six in the main wall plus a villa player so Joe did not see the ball until it rose above the wall, giving him no chance of saving it.

You would think if Joe could not see the ball off the boot his positioning should be central rather than leaving two thirds of the goal open to his right hand side.

Its interesting looking at the free kicks together.

 

[Len Rum]

It's not about our defenders being more to blame than Joe for that defeat, the point is you need a goalkeeper who pulls you out of the shit and wins you games you might otherwise have lost. Schmeicel and Shilton were keepers who were worth at least twenty points a season just from the saves that they made when their defenders were struggling. Yesterday if we had had a keeper on top of his game ,he would have saved us from our tendency to implode defensively by stopping the second goal (better positioning) and third goal(better timing of run or stay on line and save). That's the difference a keeper can make.

 

[gorton guvnor]

Good keeper is our joe, but fwiw IMO he needs to sort 2 things
1. His foot movement when setting himself for shots needs improving ASAP
2. His setting up of walls at set plays.

 

[GSW Blue]

I have often wondered why walls don't move sideways to distract the taker. Too often a static wall just seems to give the taker something to work with by forcing the keeper to leave one side of goal unguarded.