joe hart

[Any1aBlue]

from another place

A pal of mine works on the doors and knows shedloads of the lads on the circuit and he tells me that it is apparently quite common knowledge behind the scenes that Joe has been drinking far too much booze for quite some time. Makes sense when you see how his performances have dropped in the last year or so.....Pellers needs to stamp his authority quickly or he will be undermined.

anyone else heard about this?

If it's true then it's reminiscent of Nicky Weaver being led astray by the bright lights of Manchester. But I'd take this with a pinch of salt personally...

He's doing Taquilla slammers then..........

 

[davymcfc]

I think as city fans we really need to get behind the guy. In the past he has shown that he is capable of being world class. He is still young in goalkeeping terms but is clearly short of confidence. Rather than slate him we need to show him that we support him fully. Every now and then he will make mistakes but a confident joe hart is one of the best goal keepers in the world.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

It pains me to say it but he's not good enough to be our number 1. Anymore. If he wants to stay and be a backup then good but he has to be replaced, either by Casillas or Valdez. Create our little Span City team. If they 2 aren't available then I'd go for Begovic, Handanovic or Stegen.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

I think as city fans we really need to get behind the guy. In the past he has shown that he is capable of being world class. He is still young in goalkeeping terms but is clearly short of confidence. Rather than slate him we need to show him that we support him fully. Every now and then he will make mistakes but a confident joe hart is one of the best goal keepers in the world.

The guy is getting to msny chances get him dropped mite be the kick up the arse he needs

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There are clear flaws in his technical and athletic abilities; coupled with a confidence crisis
When he had a point to prove he wanted shots and to be in the thick of the action; his exuberant self confidence and precociousness were his assets. Now he has the England Number 1 tag it's as though the ball is his enemy the pressure has completely hamstrung him. Just looking to get through games without a cockup and inevitably that's when they happen.
Look at his interviews - alright he is maturing - but he's become some sort of automatron constantly reiterating the "I'm a professional" stance.
Seriously needs time out of the limelight and to actually start looking forward to and enjoying his football again. A made up injury for a month might help.

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

I have been of of Joe's biggest supporter's on here, especially last year but enough is enough.

I have also noticed his popularity has waned a bit on here, since photographs of him on holiday larking about with Wayne Rooney have been published....although this shouldn't be an issue, in the sixties one of Buzzer's best mates was George Best.

Time for Pants to step up to the plate...take the pressure off Joe, who I still believe has a bright future, either here or elsewhere....

Another thing.....Remember when Taggart took the (then) controversial decision to drop Jim Leighton for the Cup final replay......sometimes you have to make tough calls......

 

[Anonymous]

There are clear flaws in his technical and athletic abilities; coupled with a confidence crisis
When he had a point to prove he wanted shots and to be in the thick of the action; his exuberant self confidence and precociousness were his assets. Now he has the England Number 1 tag it's as though the ball is his enemy the pressure has completely hamstrung him. Just looking to get through games without a cockup and inevitably that's when they happen.
Look at his interviews - alright he is maturing - but he's become some sort of automatron constantly reiterating the "I'm a professional" stance.
Seriously needs time out of the limelight and to actually start looking forward to and enjoying his football again. A made up injury for a month might help.

I know we've locked horns over Joe before ... but I owe you an apology. He absolutely is struggling to a point where I no longer think he can play his way out of it and needs to be dropped.

 

[B\connellblue]

Meaningful opposition should have been brought in during the window. If they don't rate pants( as I suspect is the case) then that should have been addressed. He's at the stage now that neither fans or team mates have any belief in him. Any one else see the absolute howler he let right through him in the warm up? Fucking hell an old granny would have saved it.

 

[gmckennasell]

interesting to hear what bob wilson said on five live last night , he stated he could study every single premiership keeper this season and they have probably made more mistakes than joe , but joes mistakes and magnified due to be at a top 3 club and current england number one , does he have a point ? Personally i think pantilimon deserves a chance , give time for joe to get his form back in training , but we must also take into consideration our defence is suspect this season , zabs,clichy,nastasic,komps have all contributed to some diabolical defending this season. Just a pity the media witch hunt will tear joe to pieces for the next few months , but a price worth paying because when he recovers his form , Joe hart is the best keeper in the world when he is at his best.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There are clear flaws in his technical and athletic abilities; coupled with a confidence crisis
When he had a point to prove he wanted shots and to be in the thick of the action; his exuberant self confidence and precociousness were his assets. Now he has the England Number 1 tag it's as though the ball is his enemy the pressure has completely hamstrung him. Just looking to get through games without a cockup and inevitably that's when they happen.
Look at his interviews - alright he is maturing - but he's become some sort of automatron constantly reiterating the "I'm a professional" stance.
Seriously needs time out of the limelight and to actually start looking forward to and enjoying his football again. A made up injury for a month might help.

I know we've locked horns over Joe before ... but I owe you an apology. He absolutely is struggling to a point where I no longer think he can play his way out of it and needs to be dropped.

Thanks Billy

I'm hoping that's the last apology you'll make to me though. Hoping you're right about the other things we've locked horns on.

Cheers Mate

 

[Mdr]

I think everything always needs to be taken with a grain of salt when it comes to analysing football.
First of all, every player makes mistakes, but the play most vulnerable to being called out for mistakes are keepers, always have been and always will be. A forward misses a goal chance, it's likely forgotten in the next 5 minutes, a keeper makes a mistake that leads to a goal and he's crucified for it. It comes with the job. The best keepers aren't just the ones who make the fewest mistakes, it's the ones who can also bounce back immediatley from mistakes and just forget about them. They're all human, everyone makes mistakes, but a keeper needs to be able to just completely forget and not let it haunt them in the game or we'll start to see more and more mistakes as their confidence goes.
I think that's what we're seeing with Hart. He made the odd mistake here and there and suddenly, they're statring to build up just a little bit. He's still better than the majority of the players we see week in and week out in the Premiership. I wouldn't go near saying he's become terrible or the other extreme saying he's the best in the world when he's on top of his game, because he's not. (For me the best in the world is Neuer who we say last night but that's for another day)

Every player has flaws, top players have flaws but the idea is that their strengths outweigh their flaws and we'll put up with the 2/3% of the bad for the rest of the good because it's a benefit to the team. The worry is that when their form slips that their flaws start to become more prevalent when their confidence goes.
For me, I think we're seeing an issue of confidence problems with Hart. So the question is do we stick with him and hope he bounces back or look for other options.
He has his flaws, and he's made mistakes, but what other option do we have in early October but stick with him or chance our back up keeper?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It's an easy stick to beat Joe over the head with with regards his commercial activities, of which, I only know of the Head & Shoulders bollocks.

Money-making opportunities such as them, only come your way if you are doing well. It certainly hasn't stopped the likes of Ronaldo and Messi from performing on the pitch.

Sadly, I think we, as City fans, have fallen into the convenient trap of buying into the hype we like to create for any above-average English player?

We are seeing it now with Ross Barkley, a good talent, but already dubbed the next Rooney.

I think although Joe is big in stature, he is still mentally weak in terms of performing under pressure, and he is now like one of those dart players who struggle to let go and play their natural game.

In all honesty, his best was seen at Birmingham, and perhaps that was another indicator?

Had plenty of verbals with people in my attempts to defend him, and there is never a good time to drop a keeper, but it must come.

It's a shame there is such a paucity of English keepers. I believe Hodgson would do us the biggest turn by dropping him and at least suggesting Hart's World Cup place was in the balance.

Have to say, Manuel Neuer seems in control of everything around him at all times. Hart's delivery has always been slow or poor. Neuer, a bit like De Gea, has the lay of the land very quickly, when it comes to releasing the ball.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

 

[johnbmcr]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

they don't want him

lets give him a few weeks to train hard away from the hassle and see what's Costas can do to stop us shipping goals

 

[geek]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

To achieve what exactly?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

they don't want him

lets give him a few weeks to train hard away from the hassle and see what's Costas can do to stop us shipping goals

said who?

 

[alberto0292]

Joe was f poor last night, gutted ... seems he has lost confidence ..
Hope he plays on Saturday and we give him a good song to boost his confidence

 

[2bluejacko]

time for pants to come in and shine...!!! should be given a chance otherwise why have a number two as back up

 

[kp789]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

they don't want him

lets give him a few weeks to train hard away from the hassle and see what's Costas can do to stop us shipping goals

said who?

That would be insulting to Joe, no disrespect to Shrewsbury, but you cannot send an England international and established premier league player to them on loan

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Radical but possible solution?

Send him back to Shrewsbury on a month's loan.

To achieve what exactly?

send him back to his roots. No pressure, see some familiar faces, get him thinking about what it was that made him so keen to be a professional footballer, get him refreshed, hungry and determined to come back and have a fresh start.

Keeping him out of the limelight and dropping him will just make him depressed of Carrington and want to leave, and then we'd lose him permanently.