joe hart

[Academica]

So the witch hunt continues ,paper's,talk shite radio, mu sky tv , ex scum and scouse pundits, fans of other clubs, even blues joining in, all trying to undermine and destroy one of ours. Joe has not become a shit keeper and I for one wouldn't swap him for any other premier keeper. Yes he has made mistakes what keeper hasn't, but he will come through it, form is temporary class isn't. Last night I don't think we would have avoided defeat with two in net. Joe must play at the weekend and we have got to let him know we are still behind him, let the haters hate, let us pull together ctid.

 

[kippaxchris]

Pants is one of those players who seems to get better on here the more he doesn't play. Those calling for Pants to replace Hart will be in for a shock as he is a far worse keeper. The first Bayern goal that Hart got a hand to and should have done better with Pants wouldn't have even got down in time to get a hand on it. His strength is his height so he can claim the ball from corners but low down shots he gets down like a wardrobe.

The only way you could make a comment about Panti not getting down for it would be if it happened! Also you are clearly wrong about him getting down like a wardrobe as seen vs Arsenal in the Carling cup, Chelsea in the Semi Final, the long range shot from the Barnsley player and of course when Ribery turned Zaba inside out in the Audi cup and then shot low from close range and Panti got down to make a great save. Its Hart who takes forever to get down to low shots and who always gets beat with them.

Pants also saved that perfect bottom corner shot from Mandzukic. Mandzukic had a look of disbelief that he didn't score.

As I've said before, I haven't seen enough of Pants' all around keeping to say whether I rate him or not, but saving the corners definitely seems one of his strengths.

people seem to think Panti is slow because he is tall but he is a 6ft8 professional athlete! Its not like hes some random out of shape unfit fat guy with no agility. And i personally think long range shots and bottom corner/top corner shots are some of his main strengths.

 

[stonerblue]

So the witch hunt continues ,paper's,talk shite radio, mu sky tv , ex scum and scouse pundits, fans of other clubs, even blues joining in, all trying to undermine and destroy one of ours. Joe has not become a shit keeper and I for one wouldn't swap him for any other premier keeper. Yes he has made mistakes what keeper hasn't, but he will come through it, form is temporary class isn't. Last night I don't think we would have avoided defeat with two in net. Joe must play at the weekend and we have got to let him know we are still behind him, let the haters hate, let us pull together ctid.

all of that, and more of this from Hodgson

"I am not blind to the situation, I do realise it is not a good moment for Joe," he acknowledged.

"He is a proud man and a very good goalkeeper and I am sure when he is criticised he is unhappy.

"I still believe in Joe. I believe he is the right man for the job and I don't believe he will let England down."

 

[LoveCity]

Maybe we should have brought in Dave Watson instead of Pellegrini's goalkeeping coach. Joe improved hugely under Watson's guidance while on loan at Birmingham and in the England camp.

 

[Marvin]

The media can do one. Joe's our keeper

 

[Anonymous]

The media can do one. Joe's our keeper

and corradi was "our striker"

the man isn't good enough.

 

[Jumanji]

The media can do one. Joe's our keeper

I haven't seen/read/heard the media on Joe but what are they trying to say?

I can't imagine that it'd be much more than:
Hart had at least 2 shocking errors last night.
Should Hogson play him in the games coming up?

Never a fan of the media but if this is the case, then that's hardly much...

 

[Marvin]

The media can do one. Joe's our keeper

and corradi was "our striker"

the man isn't good enough.

Look at his record over the years - anything can be distorted over a few weeks

Were you saying that when we won the League? Same player.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

I could take either decision when it comes to Hart. If Pellegrini decides to back Hart, I'll support it. If he decides to give Pantilimon a run, I support it. Both sides of the argument make sense.

My thoughts exactly, I've always backed joe but the mistakes are too often, however I'm far from convinced about Pants...one things for sure the best reaction to Hart being selected again on Saturday (which I think he will) is to sing his name and let him know we are right behind him.

You're far from convinced about 'Pants' yet Hart continues to make catastrophic errors and that is ok.

Just out of interest; what has Costel done to make you not convinced? And what has Hart done recently to convince you are convinced that he is still the convincing first choice?

 

[rick773]

Everyone's going to mess up easy shit from time to time, I couldn't really care less about the goals he gave up, I'm 100% sure that will get worked out. I'd like to see costel get a shot for how he helps us going forward, I know it was just Wigan but he underhand rolled it probably 60-65 yards right at someone's feet , he just seems to hesitate a lot less and be more confident with it than joe, absolutely could be he plays against lesser opposition and less pressure but it gets frustrating watching hart kick the ball far as fuck for navas and aguero to not be able to get.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I could take either decision when it comes to Hart. If Pellegrini decides to back Hart, I'll support it. If he decides to give Pantilimon a run, I support it. Both sides of the argument make sense.

My thoughts exactly, I've always backed joe but the mistakes are too often, however I'm far from convinced about Pants...one things for sure the best reaction to Hart being selected again on Saturday (which I think he will) is to sing his name and let him know we are right behind him.

You're far from convinced about 'Pants' yet Hart continues to make catastrophic errors and that is ok.

Just out of interest; what has Costel done to make you not convinced? And what has Hart done recently to convince you are convinced that he is still the convincing first choice?

Don't think we've seen that much of him to be honest cost us in League Cup against Villa last season and in most of the other cup games he hasn't really been under vast amounts of pressure if the manager decides to give him a go i'll support it just like like i'll support if he keeps Hart in who confidence must be shot to pieces, sometimes its small margins on another night when he got his hand to that first one if his luck was in it would have gone around the post and we'd have been talking about a class save.for me Lescott would have a run on Saturday along side Kompany to give Nasti a break as well.

 

[Mr Partridge]

Whether you think Joe Hart deserves to be dropped or not, would Pellegrini really have the bottle to do it? We already know Hodgson hasn't, as let's face it Roy is basically Mr Nice Guy who doesn't want to upset anyone and I'm starting to get the impression Pellegrini is the same. Even if Joe's performances got worse and worse I'm not convinced he is a strong enough manager to make such a big call. I may be wrong and would hold my hands up if Costel started on Saturday(I'm not saying I necessarily think he should, but I would applaud our manager for a brave decision).

Wasn't Pellegrini brought in because we wanted a "nice" manager who wouldn't upset people? Totally wrong in my view because if, as a manager, you're best mates with all the players, you're doing something wrong. Football isn't about making friends.

 

[Heart.net]

Don't think we've seen that much of him to be honest cost us in League Cup against Villa last season and in most of the other cup games he hasn't really been under vast amounts of pressure

Oh i don't know about that. He had one bad game, but he was brilliant against Chelsea in the FA Cup. He made two saves that were just jaw dropping.

 

[neel]

It was right for Mancini for giving him rap for criticizing is team mates last year...Imagine if they were given freedom to have go at him now

 

[cibaman]

The worrying thing is he is now getting beaten by shots most average keepers would turn around the post like the two last night from Ribbery and Robben.

Ribery got terrific pace on a shot from a very short back lift. Robben put in a rasping, very accurate shot, whilst disguising until very late where he was going to place the ball. Average keepers wouldn't have saved them. If Hart had got a fraction more glove on Robben's shot and touched it onto the post and out for a corner the reaction would have been "great save". They were by no means the easy saves that people are making out.

Hart should have saved both. He's an international keeper playing at the very top level. He's expected to make those saves (just as Negredo should really have done better with that late header). If he continues to concede those goals we should sell Hart because he wouldn't be good enough for us. Arsenal would probably take him, he's much better than their keeper. But Hart has had dodgy spells before and come back from them so I wouldn't write him off yet.

 

[Ducado]

I am not sure what the answer is to be honest

 

[Marvin]

The worrying thing is he is now getting beaten by shots most average keepers would turn around the post like the two last night from Ribbery and Robben.

Ribery got terrific pace on a shot from a very short back lift. Robben put in a rasping, very accurate shot, whilst disguising until very late where he was going to place the ball. Average keepers wouldn't have saved them. If Hart had got a fraction more glove on Robben's shot and touched it onto the post and out for a corner the reaction would have been "great save". They were by no means the easy saves that people are making out.

Hart should have saved both. He's an international keeper playing at the very top level. He's expected to make those saves (just as Negredo should really have done better with that late header). If he continues to concede those goals we should sell Hart because he wouldn't be good enough for us. Arsenal would probably take him, he's much better than their keeper. But Hart has had dodgy spells before and come back from them so I wouldn't write him off yet.

You are right. Hart should have done better, and the consequences were disastrous, but they were not easy saves, and he was not alone in playing below par

 

[newenglandblue]

Don't think we've seen that much of him to be honest cost us in League Cup against Villa last season and in most of the other cup games he hasn't really been under vast amounts of pressure

Oh i don't know about that. He had one bad game, but he was brilliant against Chelsea in the FA Cup. He made two saves that were just jaw dropping.

And nearly cost a goal missing a cross so not sure that constitutes brilliance. Keepers make mistakes, Joe is mkaing too many, but if Pants was as good as people remember surely Mancini or Pellegrini would have acted by now - they both seem to make objective decisions. Joe has to sort it out and fast or he could go the same way Robinson did which would be a shame. It could be the making of him as he is clearly fighting for his future for both us and England. I hope he makes it but he cannot continue like this as his dip is lasting the best part of a year.

 

[GXCity]

Hart needs taking out of the firing line for a game. I would invent an injury and send him on holiday for two weeks. No public humiliation of dropping him and the inquest that would follow. Let him play against Everton and for England them send him away to get his head sorted. We have West Ham away which Pantimillion is probably better suited to anyway then bring him back for the Chelsea game.

 

[Blueto]

I hope we're all gonig to give him a good rendition of "England's England's number 1 " on Saturday to get behind him and show him our support.

There's nothing like the old tradition of building someone up to knock them down. The media love it.