John Stones

[Marvin]

He will be dissapointed, there is no doubt about it but he's 22, not 30 so its not like he missed his only chance at a move. He was dissapointed not to join Chelsea last year but this year Guardiola wants. If he keeps progressing, there will be plenty more opportunities to move as top clubs will always want top players - it doesn't benefit him to throw his toys out of the pram and by all accounts he's not that type anyway. As I have said in an earlier post, his form dipped due to the team and Martinez, nothing to do with his attitude.

And yet he played very well the season before under martinez. He made loads of mistakes last season. Everton just couldn't defend but you reckon that's all down to martinez. I don't know how you can be so confident of that.

Kenwright can set what valuation he likes, but £50m is a ridiculous figure. Every Evertonian knows that that is a World record fee for a defender. The player has requested a transfer, and EFC are turning down £40m. Well we'll see how that pans out with the player.

 

[OB1]

Cheers mate. I honestly don't get why your club and some fans are baulking at the £50 mill fee, its 2016 not 2012 - he will prove to be worth every penny.

He may prove to be worth it but there are no guarantees and that is why some are baulking. Some also do not rate him that highly. I would be very optimistic that he would be worth the investment but he still has plenty to prove.

 

[BlueToffee]

I think because many of us arent sure how good he is. From the little I saw of him live last year I was not that impressed but obviously if our manager (who is better placed than me) wants him and think he is good enough then I wont argue but like everything a buyer will only pay what they feel is the value of an asset and no more

Last year was a write off, you cant judge him on that. Just like we cant judge Hazard, Fabregas etc on Chelsea's form (until Mourinho left) - obviously my opinion means nothing to you but he is worth it. There's a reason Mourinho and Guardiola both want him.

 

[Damien10]

If you have seen both play with your own eyes then I don't need to comment. Think more Ferdinand than Jones, £28 mill at the time and still turned out to be a bargain.

No player is guaranteed to be 'worth every penny' i'm not comparing the two players. What I am saying is United thought Jones would be worth it, look how that turned out. I would laugh at the 50 million demand, each year that passes by will mean Everton will get alot less money and it also gives other teams the chance to see if he is the real deal, if he doesn't turn out to be that great in the next year or two then Everton will kick themselves. If he turns out to be fantastic then Everton would kick themselves as he would be nearing the end of his contract. Long term it's impossible for Everton to win, they are playing a dangerous game.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Last year was a write off, you cant judge him on that. Just like we cant judge Hazard, Fabregas etc on Chelsea's form (until Mourinho left) - obviously my opinion means nothing to you but he is worth it. There's a reason Mourinho and Guardiola both want him.

And there is a reason neither have rushed to pay 50 mil for him.

 

[hgblue]

But we are not trying to sell our house, we'd rather keep it as we love it. However if a very good offer come along we would reluctantly accept.

That's why I don't get the 'take it or leave it' stance. I think Everton will happily leave it as we would love Stones to stay and learn from one of the best ball playing CB's there was. However, anyone could see why he would want the chance to work with Guardiola, but only if a deal suits us, not City or Stones.

A house is not able to have an opinion about whether it would be in it's best interests to be owned by person A or person B. John Stones isn't a slave, he's an individual who's been presented the opportunity to join a club that will be competing for the title and playing Champs League football under a manager who is imo the perfect manager for him to work with at this stage of his career.

 

[Marvin]

Last year was a write off, you cant judge him on that. Just like we cant judge Hazard, Fabregas etc on Chelsea's form (until Mourinho left) - obviously my opinion means nothing to you but he is worth it. There's a reason Mourinho and Guardiola both want him.

He's good, but he's not the world's best defender. he's got potential. And no one else is in for him so you've actually negated the point you're trying to make

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

The problem is that the contract situation is offset by the yearly increase in PL money floating about, so a £10mill decrease next year due to him only having 2 years left will be offset by the £10mill yearly increase in player values. Plus if he doesn't move there is no way he, or his agent will happily let him sit on £30k a week for the next 3 years so he will end up signing a new deal to reflect the valuation put on him by the club.

Its probably all irrelevant as I firmly believe he will sign for City but at the £50 mill valuation. I thought Koeman may have took Bony in exchange as we need another striker and he seems like a Koeman type, strong, can hold the ball up and can play upfront on his own - plus it would have meant less of the fee going to Barnsley.

All fair points.

It probably is irrelevant, but the possibility of him staying has to be considered by Everton. The money he would lose by sitting on the current contract would be made up on signing for the new club at the end of it, when the player effectively gets the 'transfer fee'. As you said earlier, there would be no shortage of takers. In terms of his value to Everton I would guess it would likely drop more than £10m with 2 years left, though obviously, that's subjective and depends on what someone is prepared to pay.

I also think the increase in PL money is a bit of a red herring. No one (other than player and agent) is going to make much money out of this. Napoli will know in advance that you're likely to have cash on the hip and will set their price accordingly, as will any other club. Any money 'made' on transfers immediately disappears in these circumstances (Andy Carroll).

As you say, he will probably go for circa £50m. Not sure if Bony is for sale but I'm sure many on here wish he was.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Everton were said to have turned down £40M from Chelsea last year since when prices have gone up because of the TV money and Everton have apparently got richer owners. I can't see the fee being much less than £50M if one is agreed, whether or not he is worth the money only time will tell. We've certainly shelled out big money for center halfs in the past from Lescott to Mangala.

But the price shouldn't have gone up. Just because Everton have more money, it doesn't make Stones a better player.

 

[BlueToffee]

He's good, but he's not the world's best defender. he's got potential. And no one else is in for him so you've actually negated the point you're trying to make

But you can say the same about a lot of players, just because there isn't 5-6 teams fighting for him doesn't mean he's not worth it. Mourinho wanted him last year and Guardiola this year, two of the top managers in the world so they obviously both rate him highly. Also Chelsea did end up bidding £40mill last year but it was too late in the window. That £40mill base + this years increase in TV money is the reason we want £50mill.