Keir Starmer

[Vic]

I think thats a bit naive - Labour should have won in 92 against Major but they didn't probably because of Kinnock's triumphalism. Then bear in mind the Blair Govt of which Starmer became a part of - they reneged on Uni fees. So what Starmer is doing is trying not to spook the horses. The Tories are so shit and are performing so badly he basically sits back and lets them carry on fucking themselves over. The calculation is he needs to do stuff that has as little impact as possible because the Tories are so disliked they will lose big style. Doesn't matter now what numbers the Tories quote - its about how people personally feel and if they feel they are no better off then its a landslide. I hope and suspect once they win and - if its a landslide - the Labour approach will be much more radical

The Tories are also hopelessly divided (if only between those with a crumb of decency left and those without). The only time they unite is in the voting lobbies to do nasty things, or at PMQ when Sunak comes up with a weak jibe against Starmer.

I don't think it's deliberate, but flip-flopping makes him less of a moving target - except for when he's being accused of flip-flopping.

This will be the last conference before compiling the manifesto. Conference doesn't decide the manifesto like it used to, but it will give a good clue to what to expect.

 

[BayernMan]

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Can’t see any responses, is the feedback good or bad?

 

[blueinsa]

I’m at the point of not believing a single word he says I’m afraid.

 

[BayernMan]

Can’t see any responses, is the feedback good or bad?

Most people are incredulous…

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Most people are incredulous…

Cheers, mate. So they don’t think that closer engagement is beneficial to the UK. Is it just Twitter-sphere frothers or a genuine consensus, we’ll probably see with more debate.

 

[blueinsa]

Cheers, mate. So they don’t think that closer engagement is beneficial to the UK. Is it just Twitter-sphere frothers or a genuine consensus, we’ll probably see with more debate.

They think it’s beneficial, they just don’t believe a word Starmer says as he has a track record of changing his tune.

 

[Postman Pep]

Probably just Keith dangling a set of keys to keep the FPBE mob on board.

 

[ganganvince]

I’m at the point of not believing a single word he says I’m afraid.

It is up for review in 2025 anyway

 

[BrianW]

A better deal with the EU means, among other things, accepting the Four Freedoms, which he has ruled out.

It's no use saying 'I want a swim, but I don't want to get in the water or get wet.'

You can't just tell the EU what you want and get it. I thought by this time we would have at least have realised that.

The change in tone is welcome, but he's either naïve, or he dare not say what he means, or he's just saying what he thinks people want to hear. You choose.