Keir Starmer

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The thread for various reasons isn't going anywhere. The fact is you and another poster who did see his arse big time actually discussed how Starmer got it wrong.

So answer me this please take these two scenarios

One - Starner cocks up, his supporters even admit he cocked up, flames put out we all move on.

Two - Starmer cocked up his supporters deny, deflect add whataboutery in almost every bloody post it it goes round and round and round.

Why is it me who is somehow having to adjust my behaviour? Why are the posters who cause situation Two getting a pass.

It's very straightforward if someone posts in good faith then I'm as nice as nice can be, however if they are dishonest they deserve to be taken to task on it. Don't be dishonest it's pretty simple.

I said before we don't partake in right and wrong anymore it's just a game of whose the worst. I'm not apologising for wanting people to be honest.

It's a football forum there is no reason no to, if someone tries to insult my intelligence they ain't getting hugs and kisses. That's just the way I am. I didn't know being truthful was such a problem. It's all a bit depressing.

Fred West
North Korea

All sorts of nonsense posted in reply.

 

[mosssideblue]

The thread for various reasons isn't going anywhere. The fact is you and another poster who did see his arse big time actually discussed how Starmer got it wrong.

So answer me this please take these two scenarios

One - Starner cocks up, his supporters even admit he cocked up, flames put out we all move on.

Two - Starmer cocked up his supporters deny, deflect add whataboutery in almost every bloody post it it goes round and round and round.

Why is it me who is somehow having to adjust my behaviour? Why are the posters who cause situation Two getting a pass.

It's very straightforward if someone posts in good faith then I'm as nice as nice can be, however if they are dishonest they deserve to be taken to task on it. Don't be dishonest it's pretty simple.

I said before we don't partake in right and wrong anymore it's just a game of whose the worst. I'm not apologising for wanting people to be honest.

It's a football forum there is no reason no to, if someone tries to insult my intelligence they ain't getting hugs and kisses. That's just the way I am. I didn't know being truthful was such a problem. It's all a bit depressing.

Tbh hilts, your manner in how you try belittle posters is making the thread depressing.

Thankfully, we are all different and will have opposing views regularly.

Your posts come across as someone who doesn’t agree with you must be being dishonest or untruthful etc, and when they hold their ground, the condescending from you starts.

At the end of the day, we all have our views and beliefs and if we accepted differences of opinion, this and other threads would yield healthier and friendlier discussion

 

[hilts]

Fred West
North Korea

All sorts of nonsense posted in reply.

In fairness the Fred West analogy was a perfect one. You have to exaggerate after about 100 times of just please stop the whataboutery. As i wasn't calling anyone Fred West its not even an insult.

Please also note I have seen you and Mexico go 15 rounds on each other and I have said diddly squat.

When 2 posters with form start a discussion with opposite views it always goes like this

I think this
I don't agree
Well here is why
Well what about this
I don't accept
................................ on and on it goes until finally

You're a ****
No you're a ****


Least I try and cut out the shit in the middle, hilts blunt but has great time management:-)

Anyhow it seems we have gone back and to without calling each other a **** so it can be done if posters are actually talking to each other.

 

[mexico1970]

Tbh hilts, your manner in how you try belittle posters is making the thread depressing.

Thankfully, we are all different and will have opposing views regularly.

Your posts come across as someone who doesn’t agree with you must be being dishonest or untruthful etc, and when they hold their ground, the condescending from you starts.

At the end of the day, we all have our views and beliefs and if we accepted differences of opinion, this and other threads would yield healthier and friendlier discussion

Accepting other peoples opinions means agreeing with them in this instance. How many times have we seen posters being called a WUM for standing their ground here?

As for @hilts being condescending? read the room mate ffs.

 

[metalblue]

On the exclusion zone around abortion clinics , there was an interview on yesterday with some religious nutter who stands outside such places. He believes even if a woman is raped she shouldnt have the right to abort.
You cant reason with people like that

Exactly. You have to give people the right to protest but this lot were just a bit weird in their “silent prayer”. The tories procrastinated on this part but I don’t imagine it took Jess Phillips long to say “fuck ‘em”.

 

[Phil1]

I don’t mind @hilts way of posting tbh, at least I know there’s no agenda with him and it’s usually from a logical point of view.
He’s not one of the rabid Tory boys who have pretty much moved house and camped into this thread for 3 months repeating the same shite day after day thinking they are making good points but in reality just showing themselves up to be bitter cunts.
As it stands if you were to do a school report on labours start it would definitely read along the lines of “must try harder, needs to listen in class more and must think of the consequences of their actions”
End of term report C-

 

[maxwellblue]

Accepting other peoples opinions mean agreeing with them in this instance. How many times have we seen posters being called a WUM for standing their ground here?

As for @hilts being condescending? read the room mate ffs.

And have you noticed the "wum" comments only come from posters with a particular political leaning.

 

[hilts]

Tbh hilts, your manner in how you try belittle posters is making the thread depressing.

Thankfully, we are all different and will have opposing views regularly.

Your posts come across as someone who doesn’t agree with you must be being dishonest or untruthful etc, and when they hold their ground, the condescending from you starts.

At the end of the day, we all have our views and beliefs and if we accepted differences of opinion, this and other threads would yield healthier and friendlier discussion

I know the majority of posters on here in terms of what they believe in and how they post I am certain they personally wouldn't have taken money off pensioners just above the line, I have seen their posts under the Tories about this and also politicians grabbing their freebies like a child in a sweet shop.

I'm sorry but I'm an honest guy and I can't nor want to change. I know it's not a difference of opinion, some posters have been dishonest because its the other side ie Tories calling it out. That is the truth. Same happens on the football side of things.

I am not apologising for telling the truth or questioning the truth of others. As for the whataboutery I could qoute you dozens of examples, probably thousands over the years from both sides. We all know it goes on.

If people think I'm wrong explain why

If people deep down know they pull the odd porkie or whataboutery then just accept being called out on it.

Just don't do either

Just put me on ignore

These are the only solutions I can think of, I'm not changing my posting behaviour because others get offended by being told the truth.

Also you mention about me making the thread depressing. There was plenty of people arguing without me and has it dawned on you that some us find the thread depressing for its lack of honesty and deflection. Why is it your offence Is more important than someone else's? See how easy it is to not practice what you preach We all get sucked into it.

Note with you and Alan I have explained myself without insults because from the start we have all been reasonable.

 

[west didsblue]

I don’t mind @hilts way of posting tbh, at least I know there’s no agenda with him and it’s usually from a logical point of view.
He’s not one of the rabid Tory boys who have pretty much moved house and camped into this thread for 3 months repeating the same shite day after day thinking they are making good points but in reality just showing themselves up to be bitter cunts.
As it stands if you were to do a school report on labours start it would definitely read along the lines of “must try harder, needs to listen in class more and must think of the consequences of their actions”
End of term report C-

He’s quite happy telling people what they think but sees his arse when people do the same to him.

As for Starmer it’s clear he’s getting all the shit stuff out of the way early in his tenure. He did well with the riots, probably chose the wrong threshold for the WFA and was very naive about the freebies. He’ll get pelters from the Tory boys for everything because that’s what they do but so far there’s been no corruption that we know of yet, and whether his handling of the main issues of the day (economy, immigration, justice system, health service, social care etc) is effective is far too early to say. All we can say so far is that he hasn’t crashed the economy and has lasted longer than Truss.

 

[mosssideblue]

I know the majority of posters on here in terms of what they believe in and how they post I am certain they personally wouldn't have taken money off pensioners just above the line, I have seen their posts under the Tories about this and also politicians grabbing their freebies like a child in a sweet shop.

I'm sorry but I'm an honest guy and I can't nor want to change. I know it's not a difference of opinion, some posters have been dishonest because its the other side ie Tories calling it out. That is the truth. Same happens on the football side of things.

I am not apologising for telling the truth or questioning the truth of others. As for the whataboutery I could qoute you dozens of examples, probably thousands over the years from both sides. We all know it goes on.

If people think I'm wrong explain why

If people deep down know they pull the odd porkie or whataboutery then just accept being called out on it.

Just don't do either

Just put me on ignore

These are the only solutions I can think of, I'm not changing my posting behaviour because others get offended by being told the truth.

Also you mention about me making the thread depressing. There was plenty of people arguing without me and has it dawned on you that some us find the thread depressing for its lack of honesty and deflection. Why is it your offence Is more important than someone else's? See how easy it is to not practice what you preach We all get sucked into it.

Note with you and Alan I have explained myself without insults because from the start we have all been reasonable.

Your views are yours and yours alone to express, that’s absolutely fine and I know you are intelligent enough to accept that others will have opposing views.

I don’t think anyone is attempting to change your stance.