Keir Starmer

You do come across a bit Nadine Dorries in your defence of everything mate

NO I DO NOT!!!! :)

Irony being there’s page after page about Starmer getting a few gifts with loads outraged.

I come along and say it’s a non story and it’s good he’s given gifts back and then get bombarded … and I’m the one that gets asked ‘am I ok’ lol.
 
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NO I DO NOT!!!! :)

Irony being there’s page after page about Starmer getting a few gifts with loads outraged.

I come along and say it’s a non story and it’s good he’s given gifts back and then get bombarded again , and I’m the one that gets asked ‘am I ok’ lol.
You’re doing fine ;-)
 
Yes because it’s a non story over shadowing the good work Labour have done so far -
Well it would be easy to overshadow wouldn't it. Like a daisy in Epping Forest. I'm sure it's in there somewhere but buggered if anyone can find it.
 
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I think he is a proper gooner and football is his hobby so he should pay for that himself unless it is the arses paying for a box for him and not the prem as that is a conflict of interests

Going to see taylor swift was also not work so he should be paying for himself and family

The rest i cant really get excited about
 
I think he is a proper gooner and football is his hobby so he should pay for that himself unless it is the arses paying for a box for him and not the prem as that is a conflict of interests

Going to see taylor swift was also not work so he should be paying for himself and family

The rest i cant really get excited about
Honestly Kaz, I am not really that fussed about any of it per se. Clearly, many Tories have done the same or worse, so what's the big deal? Why am I so concerned about it?

For me it's not the gifts themselves, it's what does all of this tell us?

First, I do question why someone who is supposedly a socialist, who was on £150k per year as leader of the opposition, and more now, a multi-millionaire who earned a fortune as the DPP, would think it remotely appropriate to be accepting free clothes, glasses, tickets for himself and his wife and accommodation. I find it staggering that anyone who purports to be a socialist would think this is OK. Truly incredible. Someone who thinks it's OK to take £300 off pensioners, thinks it's OK to take £100,000 for yourself in gifts? Bizarre anyone could think like that. And even more bizarre they would not care how it might look.

Second, there's the rank hypocrisy of slagging off the Tories for years about this kind of thing, whilst doing the very same yourself. What sort of person does that??? Can you imagine doing that? I cannot. I find truly baffling. If was doing something dodgy, the very last thing i would do is publicly slag off others for doing the same, since I would logically think "If it comes out that I've been doing this, I will get slaughtered for it, so I had better not". Why did he not think that and refuse the gifts, as Rebecca Long-Bailley rightly has said he should have done.

So the question has to be asked, is he really, really politically naive, stupid even? Or is it because he genuinely thinks he is above everyone else and we can all sod off and he doesn't care what others think? Neither of these possibilities is good! But I cannot believe he is thick, nor politically incompetent, so the only logical conclusion is that he thinks he is above everyone else and he can do what he likes with impunity. It's Trump-like behaviour.

Which is why I - and most of the rest of the population - have concluded he's a wrong un, a fraud. He says what he thinks people want to hear, but underneath it all, he's a money grabbing slimeball in it for himself and sod the rest of us.
 
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Personally I’m a bit meh about all of it, it’s all in the public domain because he declared it, which is a step forward compared to quite a few previous. That could be argued to be bad politics in itself and he could have just ridden the stormout but ultimately it’s going to end up in a better place with far more scrutiny across all of it.

I imagine MPs of all parties will be desperate for it to go away and I do think the RW press in particular need to be careful they don’t try to push it too far.
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Too late.... Tory MPs will now come under scrutiny when they hadn't before. What have they unleashed? The gravy train may have hit the buffers.
 
The bottom line is Starmer, just like the rest of them, can't keep their noses out of the trough.
 
Honestly Kaz, I am not really that fussed about any of it per se. Clearly, many Tories have done the same or worse, so what's the big deal? Why am I so concerned about it?

For me it's not the gifts themselves, it's what does all of this tell us?

First, I do question why someone who is supposedly a socialist, who was on £150k per year as leader of the opposition, and more now, a multi-millionaire who earned a fortune as the DPP, would think it remotely appropriate to be accepting free clothes, glasses, tickets for himself and his wife and accommodation. I find it staggering that anyone who purports to be a socialist would think this is OK. Truly incredible. Someone who thinks it's OK to take £300 off pensioners, thinks it's OK to take £100,000 for yourself in gifts? Bizarre anyone could think like that. And even more bizarre they would not care how it might look.

Second, there's the rank hypocrisy of slagging off the Tories for years about this kind of thing, whilst doing the very same yourself. What sort of person does that??? Can you imagine doing that? I cannot. I find truly baffling. If was doing something dodgy, the very last thing i would do is publicly slag off others for doing the same, since I would logically think "If it comes out that I've been doing this, I will get slaughtered for it, so I had better not". Why did he not think that and refuse the gifts, as Rebecca Long-Bailley rightly has said he should have done.

So the question has to be asked, is he really, really politically naive, stupid even? Or is it because he genuinely thinks he is above everyone else and we can all sod off and he doesn't care what others think? Neither of these possibilities is good! But I cannot believe he is thick, nor politically incompetent, so the only logical conclusion is that he thinks he is above everyone else and he can do what he likes with impunity. It's Trump-like behaviour.

Which is why I - and most of the rest of the population - have concluded he's a wrong un, a fraud. He says what he thinks people want to hear, but underneath it all, he's a money grabbing slimeball in it for himself and sod the rest of us.

haha .. ' I am not really fussed about any of it '' before proceeding with a massive long winded rant yet again.
 
@BlueHammer. Thanks of ther attachments. I do not intend to critique every line but my overarching comments would be these:

1. Many of the things cited, I do not regard as being remotely positive, quite the opposite
2. Many of the "achievements", they have not actually achieved! Saying your going to do something is not an achievement!
3. It's an incomplete list. It does not list the utter balls-ups.
 

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