Keir Starmer

[blueinsa]

Err your band of merry men

Put Corbyn in charge
Decided on a brexit stance
Unbelievably thought the way to win an election was to offer more stuff which to anyone but an utter moron could only result in losing votes.

By the way labelling people as socialist or anti socialist doesn't help your cause and shows a lack of logical thinking. Another reason why you keep losing.

50 years fella but next time........

PMSL

"Shut it yer nazi anti socialist"

Confused? You will be!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

50 years fella but next time........

Just had to put up this cracking old chestnut in response to that, and let's all hope for the biggest collapse in history...

 

[Mike D]

Corbyn embodies everything you strive for, he propounds the socialist mantra constantly, what was his problem
then, why was he roundly rejected? You are, of course, correct in your assessment that Brexit dominated, yet there
are millions of remainers, many, if not most, staunchly so, and if many of these people want socialism, the result
would probably have seen Johnson win, but by no landslide. Why didn't all these kids join forces with the hordes of
socialists desperate for this style of government?
The answer is all around you, most folk are in work, unions are irrelevant now, worker/management participation
is commonplace, nobody has this 'Bosses against the workers' mindset any more, there are now no strikes, no pickets,
flying or otherwise. It's no good constantly preaching radical change is needed when facing these facts, it's no good
calling for everything to be swept away along a tide of social justice, the country is in pretty good shape, not perfect,
nowhere is, but doing OK by any yardstick. The philosophy of socialism is now becoming some quaint anachronism in most
prosperous western nations, 'Populism' used as a derogatory term by the losing left, is actually the will of the people, who
were not, and are not, being brainwashed by Russia, hoodwinked by anyone, or simply not in possession of the truth,
they know what is needed, and it ain't socialism.

As I have said he was rejected because he is Jeremy Corbyn and that was the problem same as in 2017 with the only difference being that the Tories had Theresa May. The same happened in 2015 Cameron versus Milliband who was also not really liked as looking a bit weird. Its interesting that you don't mention the fact that 2017 Corbyn increased Labour's share of votes and seats with a far more socialist agenda? Maybe it slipped your mind but 2017 was about May getting a margin like Johnson's to deliver her vision and Brexit wasn't the key factor.

If we haven't got a populist government maybe you can explain what constant lies repeated by Johnson are all about Nurses, Hospital, etc. Or are we living in a post truth era like the US where falsehoods become alternative truths or something else? Or maybe populism has a whole knew definition now a days and voting down amendments to the Brexit bill on letting child refuges be able to be reunited in the country that they are in. Maybe is just acceptable now and the rise or racism across country and the football terraces is something that we are just going to have to get used and shouldn't think its got anything to do with a populist government we all see things differently and maybe a racist will just become acceptable one day not something that the right hates being called out for?

 

[blueinsa]

Wondered when the mocking of Abbott would start.

I knew someone would put 2 + 2 together and come up with 5.

 

[hilts]

"Shut it yer nazi anti socialist"

Confused? You will be!

I love Labour

" so we offered shit loads of stuff and lost bloody hell"

" too many of middle England thought it was a tad too much. What shall we do for the next election? We need to get in and help people."

" let's offer as much shit as possible. Double or triple it I say"

" no no surely that will mean less will vote for us plus brexit and Corbyn doesn't help at all"

" I think we need to offer even more then comrade"

" well we lost again. I fucking told you. Those who wanted more on public services were in the bag anyhow you dipshit"

" it was Murdoch everyone loved the shit. Don't worry next time let's try and see if we can win by offering even more shit"

 

[Ancient Citizen]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I knew someone would put 2 + 2 together and come up with 5.

You're just not allowed to have a laugh on here...

 

[Mike D]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

Maybe you can explain why these policies always poll so well amongst all voters? I am not saying that people like socialism per say but they like some socialist policies its a fact that you can't get away from. I'm guessing the populism is a taboo in your books despite the clear evidence it a bit like calling a far right racist a racist they tend to throw it back and you and accuse you of using it as a defence mechanism.

 

[Chippy_boy]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

This is why I still think Wrong Daily will be their next leader. For her *not* to win, it requires a recognition from the broader party that the policies and direction they were following was wrong. I have heard no such admission. They seem to think that they were on the right track but just didn't sell it well enough. "Our manifesto was very popular" and "it was the media campaign against Jeremy" and other such bollocks.

Where is the "We've had it all wrong since Blair stepped down"?

EDIT: See above!

 

[blueinsa]

This is why I still think Wrong Daily will be their next leader. For her *not* to win, it requires a recognition from the broader party that the policies and direction they were following was wrong. I have heard no such admission. They seem to think that they were on the right track but just didn't sell it well enough. "Our manifesto was very popular" and "it was the media campaign against Jeremy" and other such bollocks.

Where is the "We've had it all wrong since Blair stepped down"?

EDIT: See above!

McCluskey and Lansman will direct the NEC and between them they will crown the clear choice of McDonnell which is RLB and Rayner.

Votes required will be being signed up as we speak.