Keir Starmer

Here’s a thought..

Unite Labour and the left to get the Tories out and decimate them in Parliament.

Once Labour are in power, try to move the party to the left, or launch a new party of the left as an opposition to Labour.

That movement would have a far higher chance of success if there was an incumbent Labour government rather than a Tory one.

The UK political needle has been moving further rightwards for the last 12 years. It needs to be dragged back to the middle before you can move it too far left.

It’s just absolutely bizarre how if people can’t have their exact perfect birthday present Labour now, they’d prefer to stick with the Tories. Spoiled, snobby, weird.

No, you would have to drag it to the left before you can centralise politics to a fairer result, otherwise the centre just gets high jacked for right wing politics again.

You need to balance the wrongs with justice of the rights which is why people are noe clamouring for strikes personally and publicly.

I've been saying this for absolute years cos I could see things going this way.

Have a listen to the Sanders speech and you might understand it better.
 
That’s a really good post mate and I agree with the bulk of it and I am a centrist mug.

Things have to change in society drastically. Current policy and the way of things is letting us down with increasingly disastrous effect.

Westminster as a whole is seemingly bereft of any idea as to how to change things it seems.

Nationalisation of key industries like energy, rail etc, an end to abhorrent profiteering by the few at the expense of the many and fair working conditions and pay for the millions of us that go out each and every day to make the whole thing work is not too much to expect imo.

Westminister is not "bereft of any ideas" at all. This is a lie they keep telling you. This lie they tell, is because these politicians are figuring out how to keep their personal coffers going whilst keeping the public onside.

These people are charlatans and represent very few of us, at all.
 
We really do need a new party of the left. Let the centrist mugs do there thing, sadly it may well mean more years of the Tories but I am hoping an annilihation of the centrist mugs at the next election finally condemns them to the dustbin of history just like there SDP and Liberal forbears.

Starmers refusal to call for nationalisation of the basic needs industries is the final blow for me.

LABOUR’S road to election victory would be more certain if it presented a raft of policies which tackle the real-life problems faced by the many millions whose living depends on their wages, their pensions or the benefits they have earned and deserve.

Unite’s Sharon Graham has done us a service by pointing out as sharply as she did on BBC Radio 4’s Broadcasting House programme that the issue is “abhorrent profits” and “what is happening with the cost of living.”

In the face of a self-induced paralysis of government — occasioned by the inability or unwillingness of the two contenders for the leadership of the Tory Party to say what are their proposals for dealing with the energy price crisis — Labour has an open goal.

With its latest proposal, Labour has sent the ball in the right direction but missed the goal mouth.

The fact is that Labour’s £29 billion energy bills scheme is not ambitious enough to cover the anticipated increase in the energy price cap, because it fails to take account of the average consumer’s increased energy in the winter.

The Institute of Fiscal Studies estimates argues that Labour’s scheme to freeze the price cap would cost at least £8 billion more than Labour estimates.

Sir Keir Starmer’s £29bn scheme calls for the government to freeze household energy bills at the springtime 2022 price cap until April next year, rather than letting it shoot up in October 2022 and January 2023.

Labour is silent on whether households should be directly funded to pay bills or the energy companies directly subsidised. Either way this will be our money going to shareholders. Nationalisation is a better option.

Those on the left who have always opposed the privatisation of energy production and distribution can take some satisfaction from the fact that substantial majorities of opinion — encompassing even a majority of Conservative voters — are in favour of public ownership of utilities, rail and mail.

Ownership is key and with the entire sector publicly owned a government, if it so willed, could take such steps as are necessary to ensure continued supplies at reasonable cost.

The French government has increased its majority stake in the national energy enterprise EDF and thus is able to shield the French people from the speculators’ global energy cartel.

We can speculate on the factors that induced the impeccably neoliberal big business-friendly ex-banker who sits in the Elysee to devise this scheme but it seems improbable that President Emmanuel Macron was simply moved by concern for the French people, a majority of whom did not vote for him.

Perhaps he is frightened that to the “gilets jaune” who mobilised against the government when he put the petrol price up might be joined once gain by the “gilets rouge” of the Confederation Generale du Travail.

We have to ask ourselves why, in the face of such broad support for public ownership and the proven value of this in dealing with the energy price crisis, Labour does not attack the Tories where they are weakest.

If Labour is not careful, whoever wins the Tory leadership will come out with a policy that is more radical than Labour’s.

It would be ridiculous if, during a massive wave of pay strikes, Labour remains committed to a minimum wage policy less generous than the Tories’ and at risk from being outflanked on the main issue which shapes the political and economic views of the British people

Just fucking go Starmer, you are fucking useless.
Agree with all of this, but until we get electoral reform (PR), a new party of the left would just split the current labour vote and condemn us to eternal Tory rule.
 
Well saying “fuck em” is essentially saying “fuck em” to the poorest and most vulnerable members of society in the name of throwing your toys out of the pram.

Whatever your ideals are, if you’re on the left my guess is you want a decent living wage, the right to strike, the right to protest, a decent state education, massive improvement in the financing and running of an always free to use NHS, pensioners and children not having to worry about turning the fucking heating or lighting on over the winter.

If you want all those things, ask yourself is that more likely under the Tories or Kier Starmer.

Saying “fuck em” and making ordinary people’s lives worse because Starmer isn’t Corbyny enough is so absurd it sounds like something out of a Two Ronnies sketch.

Another false narrative.

No, in fact, it's the same false narrative that have led us to this lovely garden we live in. How many times are people willingly allowing themselves to be spun the same old lines as part of the same old goldfish bowl life...?
 
No, you would have to drag it to the left before you can centralise politics to a fairer result, otherwise the centre just gets high jacked for right wing politics again.

You need to balance the wrongs with justice of the rights which is why people are noe clamouring for strikes personally and publicly.

I've been saying this for absolute years cos I could see things going this way.

Have a listen to the Sanders speech and you might understand it better.
No, the UK electorate will not be dragged from the right to the far left in one fell swoop.

If the last 12 years have taught us anything, it's taught us that.

By the looks of the polls, they are eager to be dragged back to the middle though. From there they can be nudged left.

Unfortunately I think Enough is Enough may run out of steam when the wider public hears more about Mick Lynch's views on Brexit and Ed Dempsey's views on racial equality.
 
Another false narrative.

No, in fact, it's the same false narrative that have led us to this lovely garden we live in. How many times are people willingly allowing themselves to be spun the same old lines as part of the same old goldfish bowl life...?
No, there's no false narrative.

A protest vote for the Communist Party, or some other far left party instead of Labour at the next election only increases the chances of getting another 5 years of the Tories.

It's a toys out of the pram move.
 
No, the UK electorate will not be dragged from the right to the far left in one fell swoop.

If the last 12 years have taught us anything, it's taught us that.

By the looks of the polls, they are eager to be dragged back to the middle though. From there they can be nudged left.

Unfortunately I think Enough is Enough may run out of steam when the wider public hears more about Mick Lynch's views on Brexit and Ed Dempsey's views on racial equality.
I smell the beginnings of a Liberal smear campaign.....



Let's nip this shite in the bud

 
No, the UK electorate will not be dragged from the right to the far left in one fell swoop.

If the last 12 years have taught us anything, it's taught us that.

By the looks of the polls, they are eager to be dragged back to the middle though. From there they can be nudged left.

Unfortunately I think Enough is Enough may run out of steam when the wider public hears more about Mick Lynch's views on Brexit and Ed Dempsey's views on racial equality.

So, to give people actual wages, not silly incrementalisations, a lowering or freezing of prices on rent and utilities, uni fees and/ or taxes, is far too left for people to consider?

Central/ neolib policies will and HAVE NOT solved this in the space and time you've mentioned; over 12 years.

How can the current situation not get through to you?
 
I smell the beginnings of a Liberal smear campaign.....


Mate have you actually watched that video?

Because it plays very much like a smear campaign against liberals!..

Brushes off the "bigotry" of the EDL as if it's a minor footnote, and goes on to suggest the far-right isn't the real enemy, liberals are!

I don't give a flying fuck how many photos you pull out of your arse with him stood next to ethnic minorities.

This is his "very fine people on both sides" moment.

It's a shame because he's done some fine work on the strikes, but he's got no one to blame but himself for his words in that video. Really disappointed in him.
 
No, there's no false narrative.

A protest vote for the Communist Party, or some other far left party instead of Labour at the next election only increases the chances of getting another 5 years of the Tories.

It's a toys out of the pram move.

"Toys out of the pram" was the attack on genuine and popular policies under Labour as it used to be, not this grotesque mask worn by the current 'Labour' incumbents.

There was nothing 'communist' about the last Labour leadership, just your common Sun reader being told about the view they're supposed to hold.

Look at it all now. Are you ever going to admit the problems neolib/ capitalist politics have gotten us? Or should we all still be 'tightening our belts' so the rich get even richer as they tell us to 'wait our turn'?

Will you ever learn...?
 

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