Just a bit of "left" history. Even Chartist speakers were accused of preaching to the crowd - e.g. sounding radical to get elected to the Convention then at the Convention sounding moderate. Some speakers had "one set of speeches for the North and another set of speeches for the metropolis. What Harney saw as a form of hypocrisy, Lowery defended as a form of democratic control involving the rank and file of the movement in a complex mutual relationship of expectation, performance and response".
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Keir Starmer
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Nethermoor
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All Lid Dem's aren't we
If Starmer gets rid of the Lords what will he do when he is no longer an MP?
How is he going to do it though?
Even if he gets a big majority and the commons vote to abolish the Lords, does it not then get passed to the Lords for them to vote on?
Turkeys and Christmas springs to mind.....
He'll create a load of new Lord's, a-leaping to abolish themselves and all their new colleagues.How is he going to do it though?
Even if he gets a big majority and the commons vote to abolish the Lords, does it not then get passed to the Lords for them to vote on?
Turkeys and Christmas springs to mind.....
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Bloody hell you can’t fit them all in as it is, serious overcrowding if he adds to the numbers.He'll create a load of new Lord's, a-leaping to abolish themselves and all their new colleagues.
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How is he going to do it though?
Even if he gets a big majority and the commons vote to abolish the Lords, does it not then get passed to the Lords for them to vote on?
Turkeys and Christmas springs to mind.....
They can suggest improvements to any replacement, but cannot actually stop anything. If nothing else, the Parliament Act gets invoked to ignore the Lords.
I'd be very surprised if anything came into being inside one parliament though - there's a lot of thought needed to get it right, and not something that can be hijacked easily.
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Bloody hell you can’t fit them all in as it is, serious overcrowding if he adds to the numbers.
If the police do their job properly, there might be at least one less soon .
Sorry Michelle as I am presuming that both you and your husband are corrupt and lying through your collective teeth. Matt Hancock says hi .
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How is he going to do it though?
Even if he gets a big majority and the commons vote to abolish the Lords, does it not then get passed to the Lords for them to vote on?
Turkeys and Christmas springs to mind.....
He'll flood the Lords with yes men before the vote.
He'll flood the Lords with yes men before the vote.
The trouble is, when they get there and find out you get £300 a day plus expenses for sitting in a warm room and having a little sleep, they might decide they like it and become 'no' men!
hilts
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Getting rid of the Lords is fine but if it ever happens it will just be replaced by an elected chamber which means more pocket lining by politicians.They can suggest improvements to any replacement, but cannot actually stop anything. If nothing else, the Parliament Act gets invoked to ignore the Lords.
I'd be very surprised if anything came into being inside one parliament though - there's a lot of thought needed to get it right, and not something that can be hijacked easily.