If it doesn’t happen and the country goes to shit, guess what? We’ll replace them in 2024.
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Keir Starmer
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If it doesn’t happen and the country goes to shit, guess what? We’ll replace them in 2024.
We've already had 10 years of these cunts picking apart the social structures there to help the least well off (a particular bug bear of mine is what they did with regards to employment tribunals, they are essentially out of reach for those without a lot of money), this prick's even worse than the last two. There will be nothing left in 5 years time. Still, this might be the final spur for us to fuck off abroad. There's other places we could live.If it doesn’t happen and the country goes to shit, guess what? We’ll replace them in 2024.
BlueAnorak
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Yet 67% of Labour voters still voted Labour. So in reality, Labour's policy for save the NHS and a Remain vs Remain (no EU council vote) referendum actually worked spectacularly well.Agree entirely.
Most MPs I think were genuine in their statements that they respected the result of the referendum, but clearly we found it very difficult to find any particular version of Brexit that a majority of them could support. So I can kind of understand how we were stuck.
However, the GE changed that. So whilst it was vaguely defendable to have voted against May's WA in previous parliamentary votes, I can see no moral justification at all for campaigning for another referendum or even for saying you'd vote against it in such a referendum. That was just wrong and the public pretty broadly seem to have thought so as well.
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Yet 67% of Labour voters still voted Labour. So in reality, Labour's policy for save the NHS and a Remain vs Remain (no EU council vote) referendum actually worked spectacularly well.
Clearly it didn't and 67% of labour voters or to put it the right way, 33% of them not voting Labour through a mixture of the leadership, brexit and policy is a disaster.
The result of the GE backs this up I'm afraid.
No amount of spin is sugarcoating it.
We've already had 10 years of these cunts picking apart the social structures there to help the least well off (a particular bug bear of mine is what they did with regards to employment tribunals, they are essentially out of reach for those without a lot of money), this prick's even worse than the last two. There will be nothing left in 5 years time. Still, this might be the final spur for us to fuck off abroad. There's other places we could live.
2010: stood on platform of austerity
2015: stood on platform of austerity and EU referendum
2017: stood on leave platform with view to end austerity
2019: leave date and austerity over and investment
The first two definitely happened, as they said. 2017 was muddied by Brexit and 2019, well we’ll have to wait and see.
Don’t get me wrong, I dislike the Tories. I have Conservative views but an economic view closer to centre than them and socially they’re basically the Liberal Party.
The austerity measures have been too harsh and in specific areas I disagree with but I do understand why they did it and they did say it would be tough.
The main problem I have is Cameron standing down after the result. The slippery twat should have oversaw the whole process.
BlueAnorak
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My point is that it could, probably should, have been a lot, lot worse. So in that respect it was a success, even though the result was disastrous.Clearly it didn't and 67% of labour voters or to put it the right way, 33% of them not voting Labour through a mixture of the leadership, brexit and policy is a disaster.
The result of the GE backs this up I'm afraid.
No amount of spin is sugarcoating it.
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Chippy_boy
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Of course it did Jeremy. Success like this doesn't come easy we know.Yet 67% of Labour voters still voted Labour. So in reality, Labour's policy for save the NHS and a Remain vs Remain (no EU council vote) referendum actually worked spectacularly well.
Long may the Labour Party be as successful as this.
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Had labour been a less toxic exteme party i think they may have got a way with offering a second vote.
Many blame their Brexit stance on the stuffing they got. It seems most are burying their heads and maintaining that opinion. Until there is a shift to the centre and they rid themselves of the far left poison then they will continue to be unelectable.
It really is very sad, and tragic for the country.
In many ways i do not blame the traditional Labour voters who voted Tory they clearly felt they had no other option.
That is solely the fault of the labour party and the yoghurt knitters who hijacked it.
Hard to see even a half credible replacement for Corbyn in its ranks. At least one whom will tempt back even those who simply did not vote rather than sell their souls to evil.
Already said this earlier on the thread, and I'm not saying it to defend Corbyn/Labour but if Brexit isn't the reason why they got a stuffing, how come they received 2.6m less votes from June 2017 to December 2019? The antisemitism, the terrorist organisation links, the magic money tree, the party being "toxic" and "extreme" as you put it - it was all there in June 2017 wasn't it? Traditional Labour voters who wanted Brexit knew that voting Tory/Brexit Party was going to get the job done, why would they vote for Labour when that would put at risk everything they've wanted for the past 3 1/2 years?
Austerity was a pile of shite sold to a public who don't understand public finances, though to be fair, I don't expect them too. This whole shite about comparing the nations finances to household finances, and how we need to 'tighten our belts' is a load of bollocks. A household can't suddenly decide "fuck it, I'm going to print some money". And it was only ever austerity for the working people of this country, the capital owning class have done very nicely thank you very much. The fact that people voted for it doesn't mean it was a good idea. As for brexit, that's even fucking stupider but at least it's going to happen now. Bit like my Corbyn supporting friends who will now finally get to shut the fuck up telling me I'm wrong about Corbyn and he'll come good, the same will be happening with the brexit crowd soon enough. On the bright side, if Brexit hadn't have happened, I'm afraid I'd have ended up punching someone for telling me I hated democracy which is another load of horseshit. I don't hate democracy, just people who think they know a lot but haven't made the effort to find out if their assumption on that matter is true or not.2010: stood on platform of austerity
2015: stood on platform of austerity and EU referendum
2017: stood on leave platform with view to end austerity
2019: leave date and austerity over and investment
The first two definitely happened, as they said. 2017 was muddied by Brexit and 2019, well we’ll have to wait and see.
Don’t get me wrong, I dislike the Tories. I have Conservative views but an economic view closer to centre than them and socially they’re basically the Liberal Party.
The austerity measures have been too harsh and in specific areas I disagree with but I do understand why they did it and they did say it would be tough.
The main problem I have is Cameron standing down after the result. The slippery twat should have oversaw the whole process.
*Note: that wasn't aimed at you, just a general fuck you to all i feel it should be flung at. Tired of people thinking they're experts on things because they've read a couple of articles they liked on facebook.
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Tired of people thinking they're experts on things because they've read a couple of articles they liked on facebook.
Twitter is even worse ;-)
I believe so. I came off facebook about 3 weeks ago, mainly because of all the Corbyn knobs repeatedly posting the same shite over and over again, and I've not missed it at all. I have a twitter account but I've never used it.Twitter is even worse ;-)
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I believe so. I came off facebook about 3 weeks ago, mainly because of all the Corbyn mongs repeatedly posting the same shite over and over again, and I've not missed it at all. I have a twitter account but I've never used it.
Im only on facebook for family contact and anything remotely political be it posts or ads gets removed.
hilts
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I believe so. I came off facebook about 3 weeks ago, mainly because of all the Corbyn mongs repeatedly posting the same shite over and over again, and I've not missed it at all. I have a twitter account but I've never used it.
If you are going to use that word I would prefer you to fuck off to twitter to be fair, are you a 12 year old?
I don't consider it offensive, but as you do, I'll edit my post.If you are going to use that word I would prefer you to fuck off to twitter to be fair, are you a 12 year old?
Used to live in the US so it's brilliant to keep in contact with old friends over there via facebook, other than that, yeah, it's a bit crap. I haven't missed it at all since I deactivated it.Im only on facebook for family contact and anything remotely political be it posts or ads gets removed.
Austerity was a pile of shite sold to a public who don't understand public finances, though to be fair, I don't expect them too. This whole shite about comparing the nations finances to household finances, and how we need to 'tighten our belts' is a load of bollocks. A household can't suddenly decide "fuck it, I'm going to print some money". And it was only ever austerity for the working people of this country, the capital owning class have done very nicely thank you very much. The fact that people voted for it doesn't mean it was a good idea. As for brexit, that's even fucking stupider but at least it's going to happen now. Bit like my Corbyn supporting friends who will now finally get to shut the fuck up telling me I'm wrong about Corbyn and he'll come good, the same will be happening with the brexit crowd soon enough. On the bright side, if Brexit hadn't have happened, I'm afraid I'd have ended up punching someone for telling me I hated democracy which is another load of horseshit. I don't hate democracy, just people who think they know a lot but haven't made the effort to find out if their assumption on that matter is true or not.
*Note: that wasn't aimed at you, just a general fuck you to all i feel it should be flung at. Tired of people thinking they're experts on things because they've read a couple of articles they liked on facebook.
I disagree on austerity. You’re right about it not being like a household but we couldn’t continue with that level of deficit.
That’s fine, I’m frustrated too, this whole thing has cost us too much and has gone on for too long. Brexit will be bad but I don’t know how bad as of yet so we’ll wait and see.
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Wasn't self determination one of the main reasons for Brexit?
Self determination for those engaged in sophisticated tax avoidance yes - fully agree.
But our debt is significantly more than it was a decade ago, essentially proving that austerity hasn't worked. As for brexit, of course we'll have to wait and see, but considering the calibre of the people currently in charge of its implementation it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. That said, I also came to the realisation a while ago that whilst I didn't want it to happen, it probably has to happen otherwise this 'will of the people' shite will hang over our heads forever. The people voted (just) in favour of it, so it's on us. Maybe in future we'll realise that direct democracy on issues as complex and technical as international trade is best left to our actual system of representative democracy.I disagree on austerity. You’re right about it not being like a household but we couldn’t continue with that level of deficit.
That’s fine, I’m frustrated too, this whole thing has cost us too much and has gone on for too long. Brexit will be bad but I don’t know how bad as of yet so we’ll wait and see.
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The main problem I have is Cameron standing down after the result. The slippery twat should have oversaw the whole process.
Agree with this - he should have put Boris in charge and let him run with it, then put his deal back to the people in a 2nd ref. No brexit deal ever wins a 2nd ref.
But our debt is significantly more than it was a decade ago, essentially proving that austerity hasn't worked. As for brexit, of course we'll have to wait and see, but considering the calibre of the people currently in charge of its implementation it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. That said, I also came to the realisation a while ago that whilst I didn't want it to happen, it probably has to happen otherwise this 'will of the people' shite will hang over our heads forever. The people voted (just) in favour of it, so it's on us. Maybe in future we'll realise that direct democracy on issues as complex and technical as international trade is best left to our actual system of representative democracy.
You’re far too intelligent to have me explain deficit vs debt and the importance of the former.
With regards to Brexit, I’m a remainer, always have been and always will be, however following the election and how the last three years has played out, I’ve left remaining behind. My mindset is we’re going and it’s right that we do, considering the election results since.
I was on here defending the LibDems over revoke, saying anything who earns a majority has the democratic mandate to enforce whatever they campaigned on, especially their cornerstone policy. This policy will trump any referendum as we are a representative democracy.
The Tories campaigned on this Brexit deal and therefore they have that mandate and it is the will of the people.
I know you know this but what I’m trying to say is being frustrated about what’s happened isn’t going to help, look forward and try and be optimistic. Leaving the EU shouldn’t be a ridiculous thing to do, it should be natural for a country to want that independence but we must make a success, or damage limiting effort.