Keir Starmer

[George Hannah]

Too early in the morning to whoop your arse George, I'm only on my second cuppa.

There's a first time for everything I suppose ;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

His father worked in a factory as a toolmaker. I spent a few years travelling to that neck of the woods on a weekly basis and not everyone who lives in these places is wealthy. There is council housing in many places.

Fair enough.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sorry, can't stop, I'm chatting about existentialism with a bag of carrots.

Bet the carrots are winning the argument.

 

[George Hannah]

Starmer on Marr currently - cabinet full of 2024 election winners to follow with no anti-Semites - promising. The test will be Jewish MPs returning to the party he says. 'The last shall be first'

 

[urban genie]

Alan Johnson tucking into the defeated Labour cult with relish on Skynews just now. Directing attention to Momentum's icy threats towards Starmer yesterday and pointing out that calls for leadership and unity are rather hollow given the controlling faction since 2015. No green shoots from their grass roots - just class war intensified.
"Our Time Will Come"
https://peoplesmomentum.com/buildin...of-our-movement-statement-from-momentums-ncg/
lol - proper labour bods? Splitting and purifying is the whole plan of the ruling cult since 2015 - "Deselections Are 'Us" - hopefully those old Labour rejoiners like myself will encourage Starmer to return them to the exclusive Socialist Valhallas from whence they came.

No peoplel who have been members in the times of Smith, blair, brown milliband and corbyn, and some olde rthan me that wouldnhave been there under foot, kinnock etc who have backed the party not picked and chose when it suits.

I openly admit I voted green once in the 2005 General election for local MP reasons and as such had to relinquish my membership for a year out of choice, but still leafletted and voted for labour at locla level and in the 2010 election and since.

I disagreed with some labour policy and have under every leader, but I hav never had a hissy fit and left while spending the rest of my time slagging off the party .


Those returning didn't have the stomach to fight to influence the party at CLP level but for people like barber snipe from the sideline, they are as bad as the corbyn zealots and niether are needed in my opinon


Proper labour bods can be from the left, right or centre of the party, they are the ones that stick with the party through any times.

 

[George Hannah]

Brown! I'll leave you to it George, I'd need to be seven sheets to the wind to wander down that rabbit hole.

Seven sheets from your beloved Guardian would be more productive in helping you understand how the Labour Party was handed over to the hard left.

Gordon Brown intervened in Labour leader fight to boost Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/28/gordon-brown-intervened-labour-miliband

How Tony Blair's team fought and failed to see-off Gordon Brown's coup
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/19/tony-blair-gordon-brown

The making of Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/the-making-of-ed-miliband

No people who have been members in the times of Smith, Blair, Brown Miliband and Corbyn, and some older than me that wouldn't have been there under Foot, Kinnock etc who have backed the party not picked and chose when it suits.
I openly admit I voted Green once in the 2005 General election for local MP reasons and as such had to relinquish my membership for a year out of choice, but still leafletted and voted for labour at local level and in the 2010 election and since. I disagreed with some labour policy and have under every leader, but I have never had a hissy fit and left while spending the rest of my time slagging off the party. Those returning didn't have the stomach to fight to influence the party at CLP level but for people like Barber sniping from the sideline, they are as bad as the Corbyn zealots and neither are needed in my opinon

What is not needed in the Labour Party is Momentum, as wisely noted by an earlier poster, we can't have both.

 

[urban genie]

Seven sheets from your beloved Guardian would be more productive in helping you understand how the Labour Party was handed over to the hard left.

Gordon Brown intervened in Labour leader fight to boost Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/28/gordon-brown-intervened-labour-miliband

How Tony Blair's team fought and failed to see-off Gordon Brown's coup
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/19/tony-blair-gordon-brown

The making of Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/the-making-of-ed-miliband
What is not needed in the Labour Party is Momentum, as wisely noted by an earlier poster, we can't have both.

Mommentum dissapears and I won't care one jot, no focus group or affiliate should have sway not mommentum, not progress, not the fabian group, none of the rest I could mention, not one of them, give advice and opinion but not have influence

 

[BTH]

Seven sheets from your beloved Guardian would be more productive in helping you understand how the Labour Party was handed over to the hard left.

Gordon Brown intervened in Labour leader fight to boost Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/28/gordon-brown-intervened-labour-miliband

How Tony Blair's team fought and failed to see-off Gordon Brown's coup
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/19/tony-blair-gordon-brown

The making of Ed Miliband
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/the-making-of-ed-miliband
What is not needed in the Labour Party is Momentum, as wisely noted by an earlier poster, we can't have both.

Ahem, thanks George!

 

[blueinsa]

No peoplel who have been members in the times of Smith, blair, brown milliband and corbyn, and some olde rthan me that wouldnhave been there under foot, kinnock etc who have backed the party not picked and chose when it suits.

I openly admit I voted green once in the 2005 General election for local MP reasons and as such had to relinquish my membership for a year out of choice, but still leafletted and voted for labour at locla level and in the 2010 election and since.

I disagreed with some labour policy and have under every leader, but I hav never had a hissy fit and left while spending the rest of my time slagging off the party .


Those returning didn't have the stomach to fight to influence the party at CLP level but for people like barber snipe from the sideline, they are as bad as the corbyn zealots and niether are needed in my opinon


Proper labour bods can be from the left, right or centre of the party, they are the ones that stick with the party through any times.

Hate to be a pedantic twat but you cant say you voted green and thus had to leave the party to then say anyone that left didn't have the stomach etc and that proper labour bods are the ones that stick with the party regardless mate.

Its this issue with a few telling the rest of us (electorate) what we are and what we can or cant be and it totally pisses people off and alienates them.

If Labour and Starmer dont wake up to this fact they will never win an election.

 

[DazWA9]

Hmmm...the new Man of the People would seem to have been advised to hit the ground running:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648

. . . just one minor observation, there:

'He also called for a "national vaccine programme" against the virus. '

Unless someone can advise otherwise, we don't have a vaccine for CoV19.

maybe he's knocking one up on the kitchen island, before settling in with Marr on Sunday?

 

[urban genie]

Hate to be a pedantic twat but you cant say you voted green and thus had to leave the party to then say anyone that left didn't have the stomach etc and that proper labour bods are the ones that stick with the party regardless mate.

Its this issue with a few telling the rest of us (electorate) what we are and what we can or cant be and it totally pisses people off and alienates them.

If Labour and Starmer dont wake up to this fact they will never win an election.

I voted in 2005 against kaufman for personal reasons whe he had let down me as an MP at the time party affiliations where not the factor, but as a member and because I voted against the party I chose to leave for a time, I rejoined once the local election in 2006 were coming up to help Labour regain Gorton North form the lib dems.

I never stopped backing the party, but withdrew support for my MP at that time.

It is completely different to the likes of barber and robinson who quit as members and then spent 5 years slagging labour off.

 

[blueinsa]

I voted in 2005 against kaufman for personal reasons whe he had let down me as an MP at the time party affiliations where not the factor, but as a member and because I voted against the party I chose to leave for a time, I rejoined once the local election in 2006 were coming up to help Labour regain Gorton North form the lib dems.

I never stopped backing the party, but withdrew support for my MP at that time.

It is completely different to the likes of barber and robinson who quite and then spent 5 years slagging labour off.

I voted against Corbyn and Momentum for my own personal reasons.

I am a **** yet you are a proper labour bod.

Do you not see the issue in that?

 

[urban genie]

I voted against Corbyn and Momentum for my own personal reasons.

I am a **** yet you are a proper labour bod.

Do you not see the issue in that?

Was you a member when corbyn was elected?
Did you then leave?
Have you since rejoined after yesterday?

If the answer is yes then I am criticising those people

As my conversation you decided to join in with was about memebrs and affiliated groups.

Trying to widen it to the elctorate is a completely different topic which will obviously be a thread at some point once the shadow cabinet is formed and policy hinted at.

That thread will be how do we win back the electorate?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Very important to have credible opposition which we havent had for years now. Whatever people think of him at least it can be no bad thing having a bit more sense as leader than the last duffer.

 

[blueinsa]

Was you a member when corbyn was elected?
Did you then leave?
Have you since rejoined after yesterday?

If the answer is yes then I am criticising those people

As my conversation you decided to join in with was about memebrs and affiliated groups.

Trying to widen it to the elctorate is a completely different topic which will obviously be a thread at some point once the shadow cabinet is formed and policy hinted at.

That thread will be how do we win back the electorate?

I dont have to be a member.

Labour wants my votes so it can gain power and implement its policies.

Thats how politics works not look at me, im a member so im more important than you which is what we have had the last few years with a lot of "fuck you you're just a Tory" because i didn't by into the Corbyn show.

I have a feeling Starmer realises this and will make the changes needed.

 

[urban genie]

Very important to have credible opposition which we havent had for years now. Whatever people think of him at least it can be no bad thing having a bit more sense as leader than the last duffer.

Having a balnced team not one faction or the other is the most important.

Also the PLP and fringe groups like mommentum not acting like mard twats

 

[urban genie]

I dont have to be a member.

Labour wants my votes so it can gain power and implement its policies.

Thats how politics works not look at me, im a member so im more important than you which is what we have had the last few years with a lot of "fuck you you're just a Tory" because i didn't by into the Corbyn show.

I have a feeling Starmer realises this and will make the changes needed.

Seperate conversation to what I was discussing, or are you purposely being obtuse

 

[Ban-jani]

I’d forgotten what it was like to have a party leader with a high level of maturity, who can answer questions head on-

 

[George Hannah]

Was you a member when corbyn was elected?
Did you then leave?
Have you since rejoined after yesterday?
If the answer is yes then I am criticising those people

What for? Leaving or re-joining or both. Forty years as an active member counts for nothing?

 

[blueinsa]

Seperate conversation to what I was discussing, or are you purposely being obtuse

Its the absolute and only crux of the argument facing Labour right now.

Within an hour Momentum made it clear they still think they are calling the shots and anyone not agreeing can do one.

Lets see if Starmer has the balls to make Labour electable again and if the true socialists are upset with him for that so be it as the alternative is yet more Tory government.