Keir Starmer

@BluePhil8 said:
Rascal mate you need to chill out.

Starmer has a much higher chance to reclaim the red wall than Corbyn or any socialist would have.

People in Burnley and the like voted for Boris Johnson’s government for gods’ sake, and you don’t think they’d vote for a centrist instead?

Read the situation mate, I beg you. You’re making it sound like Blaire was some bastard, but there’s a reason he’s the only Labour politician who’s been elected since 1979, that’s what the people want. Centrist/left leaning politics.

If you think he’ll perform worse in 2023 than Corbin did in 2019, you need to take a serious hard look at yourself. The Labour Party need to stop being a permanent peripheral opposition party and make serious strides to try to lead this country.
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You cant even spell Corbyn properly.

The situation is that Starmer has split the party and i doubt it would win a garden fete prize for best looking turnip in a red wall seat.
 
Rascal said:
You cant even spell Corbyn properly.

The situation is that Starmer has split the party and i doubt it would win a garden fete prize for best looking turnip in a red wall seat.
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Cool lol, so I can’t spell good - I still get one vote mate, the exact same as you.

A split party? The party was split under Corybon, one side filled with far left social justice warrior lunatics, and one side with people that actually care about getting in to power to help the electorate.

If Keir needs to exploit the split in order to expunge the cancerous element, go ahead.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Cool lol, so I can’t spell good - I still get one vote mate, the exact same as you.

A split party? The party was split under Corybon, one side filled with far left social justice warrior lunatics, and one side with people that actually care about getting in to power to help the electorate.

If Keir needs to exploit the split in order to expunge the cancerous element, go ahead.
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What is a far left social justice warrior? You don't appear to understand the politics of the left, using right wing tropes like SJW is demeaning to anybody who fights for social justice and against inequality.

Also explain what was far left about the last manifesto. Actually explain what you think far left is?

Because it appears you are a power at any price person, do you not what party espouses those values and have lived by that mantra snice its inception?
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Rascal mate you need to chill out.

Starmer has a much higher chance to reclaim the red wall than Corbyn or any socialist would have.

People in Burnley and the like voted for Boris Johnson’s government for gods’ sake, and you don’t think they’d vote for a centrist instead?

Read the situation mate, I beg you. Your making it sound like Blaire was some bastard, but there’s a reason he’s the only Labour politician who’s been elected since 1979, that’s what the people want. Centrist/left leaning politics.

If you think he’ll perform worse in 2023 than Corbin did in 2019, you need to take a serious hard look at yourself. The Labour Party need to stop being a permanent peripheral opposition party and make serious strides to try to lead this country.
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Was there really any doubt about that? he’s a war criminal FFS
 
In my view the country(for a variety of reasons) will not go from Johnson to a Corbyn type. Surely the best bet is to try and get Labour in with (let’s say) Starmer as leader and try to lobby him from there? You can’t lobby Johnson or Gove

From what I gather it’s a similar tactic to what the left will do in America. Accept that Biden isn’t their ideal candidate but support him then lobby/oppose from day 1 and take it from their. Better to lobby a semi-friendly ear and compromise that be in Opposition all the time banging on doors that simply won’t be answered?

That maybe over simplistic but seems better than nothing.
 
Blue Hefner said:
In my view the country(for a variety of reasons) will not go from Johnson to a Corbyn type. Surely the best bet is to try and get Labour in with (let’s say) Starmer as leader and try to lobby him from there? You can’t lobby Johnson or Gove

From what I gather it’s a similar tactic to what the left will do in America. Accept that Biden isn’t their ideal candidate but support him then lobby/oppose from day 1 and take it from their. Better to lobby a semi-friendly ear and compromise that be in Opposition all the time banging on doors that simply won’t be answered?

That maybe over simplistic but seems better than nothing.
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I get that mate, but we have been there before. Blair promised so much and left us so disappointed. He promise the left certain things but once he was in power, he wasn't dragged to the left by the party, he chose to go to the right instead and then made the awful mistake of cosying up to Bush and sending our lads to die in a dodgy war. If history does repeat itself then Starmer is the perfect vessel to sail into port on. He has already aligned himself with figures the left distrust, then compounded it with his actions to RBL and then stamped all over the left with his expulsions and actions. He now has the temerity to go on TV and call for unity, the sheer gall of him is astounding. If you want loyalty you earn it through your actions, you don't shit on your own doorstep.
 
Blue Hefner said:
In my view the country(for a variety of reasons) will not go from Johnson to a Corbyn type. Surely the best bet is to try and get Labour in with (let’s say) Starmer as leader and try to lobby him from there? You can’t lobby Johnson or Gove

From what I gather it’s a similar tactic to what the left will do in America. Accept that Biden isn’t their ideal candidate but support him then lobby/oppose from day 1 and take it from their. Better to lobby a semi-friendly ear and compromise that be in Opposition all the time banging on doors that simply won’t be answered?

That maybe over simplistic but seems better than nothing.
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Yep, no point in Labour just being the party of protest, they have to get elected before they can change anything
 
Hart of the Matter said:
Corbyn has once again sold the party down the river because of his own vanity. This is not KS doing. He was left with no choice.
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KS sat on the front bench during the Corbyn leadership and said absolutely fuck all... shocking in itself but when you realise that he’s married to a Jew who has brought their kids up in the Jewish faith it’s worse... surely his wife was asking him regularly “what are you going to do about this?”... what was his answer I wonder
 
Bluemanc100 said:
KS sat on the front bench during the Corbyn leadership and said absolutely fuck all... shocking in itself but when you realise that he’s married to a Jew who has brought their kids up in the Jewish faith it’s worse... surely his wife was asking him regularly “what are you going to do about this?”... what was his answer I wonder
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He didn't say "absolutely fuck all" though, did he?
www.theguardian.com

Keir Starmer calls for tougher Labour rules to expel antisemitic members

Brexit spokesman says he is frustrated by party regulations after shadow cabinet row
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com

Labour needs exclusion rule for antisemitism, says Keir Starmer

Decisive action is required – and denial is part of the problem, says shadow Brexit sercretary
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Seems to be a desperation from some on the right to tar him with the same brush as Corbyn, despite him taking clear steps to address the problem now that he is in a position to do so.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
KS sat on the front bench during the Corbyn leadership and said absolutely fuck all... shocking in itself but when you realise that he’s married to a Jew who has brought their kids up in the Jewish faith it’s worse... surely his wife was asking him regularly “what are you going to do about this?”... what was his answer I wonder
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Except you don't know that. And you have no idea what he did privately or in public a year ago because he was not the focus of media attention on this issue.
All you know is that he didn't resign over the issue.

Edit: Having seen @Ric's post, it looks like he wasn't particularly quiet over the issue.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Was there really any doubt about that? he’s a war criminal FFS
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Sadly for Blair that is his defining legacy. What is forgotten is that he quite brilliantly managed to galvanise the whole party from the hard left to the 'centre' with a positive message which swept him into power after the country was tired of two decades of tory rule. I'm sure the traditional /hard left were a bit of a thorn in his side but he realised that unless he found a way to carry them with him the numbers just wouldn't be there.
 
Now Corbyn has finally been fucked off,Labour may start to recover,and those who abandoned the party because of the deluded fruitcake's 'leadership'.....will most likely return.

To fully restore faith,they still need to get shut of Corbyn's incompetent/abysmal Lieutenants.
 
If he expels the driving force behind antisemitism in the party (Corbyn, Burgon types) then I can see most of the public forgiving him for not resigning, and potentially being part of an antisemitic government. However, plenty on the left will still see it as projection for his own failings and will continue to see him as a self-interested, Bojo type careerist with no values other than looking after his own self interest, summed up by his position on Brexit.
 
Ric said:
He didn't say "absolutely fuck all" though, did he?
www.theguardian.com

Keir Starmer calls for tougher Labour rules to expel antisemitic members

Brexit spokesman says he is frustrated by party regulations after shadow cabinet row
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com

Labour needs exclusion rule for antisemitism, says Keir Starmer

Decisive action is required – and denial is part of the problem, says shadow Brexit sercretary
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Seems to be a desperation from some on the right to tar him with the same brush as Corbyn, despite him taking clear steps to address the problem now that he is in a position to do so.
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I don't really get the vitriol the past day or so, 2bh. Especially from people who's only chance of ever getting anything they want from this country dependent on him being elected.
 
Ric said:
He didn't say "absolutely fuck all" though, did he?
www.theguardian.com

Keir Starmer calls for tougher Labour rules to expel antisemitic members

Brexit spokesman says he is frustrated by party regulations after shadow cabinet row
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com

Labour needs exclusion rule for antisemitism, says Keir Starmer

Decisive action is required – and denial is part of the problem, says shadow Brexit sercretary
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Seems to be a desperation from some on the right to tar him with the same brush as Corbyn, despite him taking clear steps to address the problem now that he is in a position to do so.
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Talk is cheap apparently
 
Bluemanc100 said:
KS sat on the front bench during the Corbyn leadership and said absolutely fuck all... shocking in itself but when you realise that he’s married to a Jew who has brought their kids up in the Jewish faith it’s worse... surely his wife was asking him regularly “what are you going to do about this?”... what was his answer I wonder
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His answer. Become leader and sort it...
 
The irony of Sir Keith's defence of his role in the antisemitism of the last shadow cabinet is that it very much echoes Corbyn's infamous 'present but not involved' line
 
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