Keir Starmer

[bluethrunthru]

I concede he will get the UK some respect back on the world stage. Strangely I think he should use Ange in the relationship with US. I think she'd charm them with her "funny accent" alone.

Politicians appreciate boring but seemingly competent leaders.

I'll be interested to see how long after the GE his honeymoon period in the role of PM is.

Daily Mail will have it down to 25mins lol

 

[TinFoilHat]

Daily Mail will have it down to 25mins lol

There was an episode of Rab C Nesbit on tonight. It started with Rab,Mary, Barbara and Jamesie watching Tony Blair entering number 10 for the first time and celebrating a Labour government. Barbara turns to Jamesie and says;

"Did you get yer Giro today?"

"No. Bastard Labour Government!"

 

[Vic]

I concede he will get the UK some respect back on the world stage. Strangely I think he should use Ange in the relationship with US. I think she'd charm them with her "funny accent" alone.

Politicians appreciate boring but seemingly competent leaders.

I'll be interested to see how long after the GE his honeymoon period in the role of PM is.

Competence and normality. Can't go wrong.

 

[Vic]

There was an episode of Rab C Nesbit on tonight. It started with Rab,Mary, Barbara and Jamesie watching Tony Blair entering number 10 for the first time and celebrating a Labour government. Barbara turns to Jamesie and says;

"Did you get yer Giro today?"

"No. Bastard Labour Government!"

Not scripted, but a real vox pop interview on Look NW, in the run up to the 2001 election.
"I think Labour are doing alright, so I don't need to vote...."

 

[TinFoilHat]

 

[urban genie]

Got to be truthuly honest as someone who has been politicaly active since my teens, I feel nothing for the coming election, starmer and labour wins or the tories win, I see no change or reason for hope post the GE.

first time in my life I see nothing in a general election to think things may change for the better, I am bereft of hope or belief.

Starmer will win, but he inspires fuck all of a decent future

 

[bluethrunthru]

Got to be truthuly honest as someone who has been politicaly active since my teens, I feel nothing for the coming election, starmer and labour wins or the tories win, I see no change or reason for hope post the GE.

first time in my life I see nothing in a general election to think things may change for the better, I am bereft of hope or belief.

Starmer will win, but he inspires fuck all of a decent future

I think thats a bit naive - Labour should have won in 92 against Major but they didn't probably because of Kinnock's triumphalism. Then bear in mind the Blair Govt of which Starmer became a part of - they reneged on Uni fees. So what Starmer is doing is trying not to spook the horses. The Tories are so shit and are performing so badly he basically sits back and lets them carry on fucking themselves over. The calculation is he needs to do stuff that has as little impact as possible because the Tories are so disliked they will lose big style. Doesn't matter now what numbers the Tories quote - its about how people personally feel and if they feel they are no better off then its a landslide. I hope and suspect once they win and - if its a landslide - the Labour approach will be much more radical

 

[urban genie]

I think thats a bit naive - Labour should have won in 92 against Major but they didn't probably because of Kinnock's triumphalism. Then bear in mind the Blair Govt of which Starmer became a part of - they reneged on Uni fees. So what Starmer is doing is trying not to spook the horses. The Tories are so shit and are performing so badly he basically sits back and lets them carry on fucking themselves over. The calculation is he needs to do stuff that has as little impact as possible because the Tories are so disliked they will lose big style. Doesn't matter now what numbers the Tories quote - its about how people personally feel and if they feel they are no better off then its a landslide. I hope and suspect once they win and - if its a landslide - the Labour approach will be much more radical

I think beliveing he will change from his consistant unradical career path more naive than my aceptance that the staus quo, with minor tweaks will continue, as it has for nearly 35 years.

reeves, nandy, streeting, dodds, kendall, powell, benn, cooper, debonaire, lammy, they have not one radical bone in their body.

I wasn't a new labour fan, but blair/brown offered some hope and also recognised a mixed bag of ideas was needed, not generic dullards that are now the shaddow cabinet

 

[west didsblue]

I think beliveing he will change from his consistant unradical career path more naive than my aceptance that the staus quo, with minor tweaks will continue, as it has for nearly 35 years.

reeves, nandy, streeting, dodds, kendall, powell, benn, cooper, debonaire, lammy, they have not one radical bone in their body.

I wasn't a new labour fan, but blair/brown offered some hope and also recognised a mixed bag of ideas was needed, not generic dullards that are now the shaddow cabinet

They might be generic dullards (I honestly don’t know) but I’m fairly sure they’re not in it for themselves in quite the same way as the current corrupt bunch of liars. That’s got to be an improvement even if they aren’t particularly radical.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They might be generic dullards (I honestly don’t know) but I’m fairly sure they’re not in it for themselves in quite the same way as the current corrupt bunch of liars. That’s got to be an improvement even if they aren’t particularly radical.

If the forecast is right and there is a 160 super majority, it has to be the time where radical changes are possible.

Unlikely, but possible.

 

[Don Karleone]

He's a stopgap. When the Tories get their shit together, he'll be out and around we go again.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think beliveing he will change from his consistant unradical career path more naive than my aceptance that the staus quo, with minor tweaks will continue, as it has for nearly 35 years.

reeves, nandy, streeting, dodds, kendall, powell, benn, cooper, debonaire, lammy, they have not one radical bone in their body.

I wasn't a new labour fan, but blair/brown offered some hope and also recognised a mixed bag of ideas was needed, not generic dullards that are now the shaddow cabinet

I just think its about winning tbh

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Got to be truthuly honest as someone who has been politicaly active since my teens, I feel nothing for the coming election, starmer and labour wins or the tories win, I see no change or reason for hope post the GE.

first time in my life I see nothing in a general election to think things may change for the better, I am bereft of hope or belief.

Starmer will win, but he inspires fuck all of a decent future

Can I ask who you would normally vote for, or your voting pattern?

 

[Postman Pep]

He's a stopgap. When the Tories get their shit together, he'll be out and around we go again.

I reckon he will be knifed from within before the Tories get their shit together.

On that note I'd rather not have Wes Streeting getting radical with the NHS thnkyou.

 

[Postman Pep]

Can I ask who you would normally vote for, or your voting pattern?

Can't believe you are asking for a wallet inspection;-)

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Can't believe you are asking for a wallet inspection;-)

Like I found with yourself, it’s sometimes difficult to work out where people are coming from so always good to find the starting point. As you know, I thought you were ardent RW due to your constant attacks on Starmer, your posts were so fervent.

 

[Don Karleone]

I reckon he will be knifed from within before the Tories get their shit together.

On that note I'd rather not have Wes Streeting getting radical with the NHS thnkyou.

That's a good point. They're not exactly known for their loyalty.



I think the NHS's days are numbered, unfortunately. This iteration of the Labour Party or the other lot will see to that eventually.

 

[TinFoilHat]

That's a good point. They're not exactly known for their loyalty.



I think the NHS's days are numbered, unfortunately. This iteration of the Labour Party or the other lot will see to that eventually.

Streeting as health secretary is the equivalent of appointing Gary Glitter kids Minister.

He's a puppet for a US healthcare group.

 

[Don Karleone]

Streeting as health secretary is the equivalent of appointing Gary Glitter kids Minister.

He's a puppet for a US healthcare group.

Very true. What I don't understand is how other people can't see that.

 

[urban genie]

Can I ask who you would normally vote for, or your voting pattern?

Labour 97, 01, 10,15, 17,19 (also party member 96-05 & 12-21)

Green 2005

On an aside I voted for starmer for leader because I knew the most left candidate would get slaughtered and wasn't strong enough where he was probable best chance of an election win, also his 10 pledges to keep a balance in the party, all which he has broken.

I lost faith of anything less than a continuation of liberal soft right policy once mandelson was appointed and his wantant purge of anything not blue labour
so if your atempt is to frame me as anti starmer for the sake of it, you're wrong, he has failed me as a member and long time labour suporter.