Ketogenic Diet

Blimey,that would kill me!

You eating at 1200 and 1800? 200g steak and 2 eggs?

Yep, doing it old school like Vince. It's a nice test and just switching up the eggs between poached and fried.

I expect to be ripped and purged of any water weight come middle next month.

Sticking to sirloin and rump though.
 
let us know how you get on.

Will do mate. This lockdown has not been kind to my previously strict regime.

My sleep has been absolutely terrible for months and know my body and mind well enough by now.

Stress and anxiety can make carbs an easy choice and my cortisol levels never have a chance to really come down.

All my old aches and pains were creeping back in and this sugar shit has increased inflammation within my body.

Steak and eggs are my go to.
 
Yep, doing it old school like Vince. It's a nice test and just switching up the eggs between poached and fried.

I expect to be ripped and purged of any water weight come middle next month.

Sticking to sirloin and rump though.
I take it you’re referring to the late, great Vince Gironda ?
One of my personal favourites back in the day, didn’t agree with everything he said, but waaaaay ahead of his time !
 
Its so simple

Use carbs when required.......prior to exercise,at times of intensity or when in recovery.If you are sat on your arse all day,then severely limit your intake.

Base your food choices on lean protein,fibrous veg and health fat - add or subtract the starchy carbs accordingly.

Call that lifestyle whatever you want!
Yep, can’t agree with this post more strongly. I’ve dropped 22kg from my mid-lockdown malaise to now and managed to do it whilst still eating carbs.

It’s all about calories in vs calories out.

If one doesn’t want to give up any food then moderation is key plus exercise.

*Happy to post the before and after pictures if anyone doesn’t believe that.
 
1) Yep, can’t agree with this post more strongly. I’ve dropped 22kg from my mid-lockdown malaise to now and managed to do it whilst still eating carbs.

2) It’s all about calories in vs calories out.

3) If one doesn’t want to give up any food then moderation is key plus exercise.

4) *Happy to post the before and after pictures if anyone doesn’t believe that.
1) Brilliant! Well done!
2) Err, not.
3) Completely agree.
4) Please provide suitable NSFW warning! ;-)

Seriously, though, 22kg (almost 50lbs, or 3 stone) is serious weight loss, and ridiculously commendable. Now, of course, the even harder part of not putting it back on one gram at a time!

Best of luck with the sustaining!
 
Yep, can’t agree with this post more strongly. I’ve dropped 22kg from my mid-lockdown malaise to now and managed to do it whilst still eating carbs.

It’s all about calories in vs calories out.

If one doesn’t want to give up any food then moderation is key plus exercise.

*Happy to post the before and after pictures if anyone doesn’t believe that.
Good on ya pal,post up your results,it might just motivate/inspire a few.
 
1) Brilliant! Well done!
2) Err, not.
3) Completely agree.
4) Please provide suitable NSFW warning! ;-)

Seriously, though, 22kg (almost 50lbs, or 3 stone) is serious weight loss, and ridiculously commendable. Now, of course, the even harder part of not putting it back on one gram at a time!

Best of luck with the sustaining!
You don’t think weight loss/gain is down to calorie deficit/surplus?

You could eat just McDonalds every day but so long as your calorie intake is less than you burn through living, breathing and exercising then you’ll lose weight.

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I'm also someone who never counts calories and have lost 4 and a half stone cutting carbs/sugar out of my diet.
The only exercise I do is a 20 - 50 mile bike ride once a week or so. (I was cycling 4 miles to work and back before working from home since March).

I'm just at a steady weight now, that's not changed much for 18 months. Eat whatever I want when I want. I have bulletproof coffee every morning around 7:30, bacon and eggs around dinner time and then a low carb evening meal before 18:00. If I fancy some cheese, nuts etc then I do or some low carb toast.

This link might be worth a read about calories, moreso for people thinking of going low carb/keto. I relied on this website a lot when first starting out.

 
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I said your notion that calorie in / calorie out is a valid scientific approach to managing the weight we carry is absolute nonsense.

I'm also pleased to add that calorie control of any kind is ridiculous because if you eat a fat based diet your weight controls itself and your body knows best.

@OccupiedPalestineBlues to thread please : /


Right, Occ Blues, you’re talking crap mate. Even Keto websites acknowledge that calories STILL AND ALWAYS will matter when on Keto.


“If your goal is weight loss, then you need to be aware of calories, even on a ketogenic diet.

When you’re eating keto, you’ll notice a natural decrease in appetite. Many people end up eating less because they feel more satisfied with less food and are no longer fighting sugar cravings[*]. A ketogenic diet is also quite thermogenic. A recent well-controlled study found that people in ketosis burn about 300 more calories a day than people who are not in ketosis, likely because of thermogenesis[*].”

What you experience on Keto is a lessened appetite combined with the fact that the calories taken in on a Ketogenic diet are more thermogenic (ie the body expends more energy turning the food stuff into energy for the body).

Anything beyond that is pseudoscience bullshit.

Keto is great for weight loss for the above reasons and I’ve had great results on it before (in fact two years ago I lost 10kg on the diet in a couple of months before a holiday), but I much prefer eating a balanced diet and being able to drink a glass of wine or two with a nice meal a few times a week.

The other reason(s) why a balanced diet is great for me is that sometimes I like to have a bar of chocolate or a bag of midget gems. I’m able to do that and take the calories into consideration for that day without resetting my ketones and thinking (Oh shit I’ve fucked it for 5 days), but the main one for me is that post lockdown, I fucking love working out. I wasn’t able to train with high intensity on keto for any length of time. You don’t find athletes (in the main) worrying about having had a chocolate bar or eating only fats and a small amount of protein. Carbs, like anything in life, are absolutely fine in moderation and there’s no way I could have trained as per below on a keto diet:

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I live by keto eating, I prefer not to call it a 'keto diet' because of the general association between the word 'diet' and the act of limiting the size or calorie content of meals.
I eat as much as I like / to satiation. I don't eat my first meal of the day until after 12 noon and more usually sometime between 1pm and 3pm, depending what I'm busy with. The late start to eating isn't a problem because our blood sugar levels are low in the mornings, and as blood sugar drives hunger by making the sugar into fat and also stopping you from getting at your fat reserves, it makes you hungry.
It's just soo easy to not eat at the start of the day and I tend to eat more for the pleasure than pronounced need as my system is now fully converted to using my fat as fuel - as per our design.

My particular pleasure is 'high fat, medium protein, low carb' (HFMPLC) Which sounds complicated but is actually very easy to live with provided that you prepare your own food.
I eat 3 dozen eggs a week, use full fat milk all the time and add double cream to tea or coffee. I buy organic meat and always eat every scrap of fat.
Whenever I can be bothered to weigh myself I clock in at around a steady 10 stone 10.
In my previous life I though I was eating healthy food but I didn't understand that our diets are driven by money - thus the cereal industry funds the British Heart Foundation and the BHF says that cereals are good for your heart. Which is simply not true, as I now know, but it sounded ok as it slotted right in to the nutricial advice given by our own government (copied from the USA's nutritional policies - and look at those fatties). My weight was anywhere between 12 stone 7 and 13 stone 7 and running marathons and exercising like a duracel rabbit wouldn't shift it!

In fact, when living on the HFMPLC food it's recommended that you don't weigh yourself as your waist measurement is a more appropriate guide to how you're doing as when you start to function as a fat fueled creature your fat just seems to disappear. I was tucked tightly into 34" waist trousers for most of my life and I'm a regular 28" waist now.

For most of my life I avoided eating fat as much as possible, I ate lots of fruit, lots of wholemeal bread, lots of cereal (all high carb) and I exercised like a mad man but was always hungry.
I just didn't understand that mankind ate very few carbs until quite recently as natural fruits and cereals were much smaller before they were developed for cropping and only available in the autumn - just when people needed to put on some fat as fuel for the winter.
Nowadays fruit & cerials are universally available all year round so society gets fatter and the rates of diabetes, heart disease and the many other carb related illnesses are going through the roof.

I'm not going to preach on about it, as you can find plenty of good information online, but I do urge that you think about what the Eskimo's ate. It was mostly seal blubber (easier to digest in an environment where theres no wood to burn to cook food) but also some oily fish and occassional sparse greens (litchen and small plants during a brief summer window if they were in the right places).
So they ate raw fat and meat and never ate cereal or fruit of any kind but they were incredibly fit people. You never saw an overweight Eskimo and they lived long lives in extreme conditions.
Everything everyone eats and everyone’s eating habits are a “diet”.

Does anyone notice that when you are a low carb eater how you think more clearly and have more positive outlook on things? And how you feel less sluggish both in body and mind?
 
You don’t think weight loss/gain is down to calorie deficit/surplus?

You could eat just McDonalds every day but so long as your calorie intake is less than you burn through living, breathing and exercising then you’ll lose weight.

If I hadn't had met you I'd swear you were related to fantasy Island ;)

 
Everything everyone eats and everyone’s eating habits are a “diet”.

Does anyone notice that when you are a low carb eater how you think more clearly and have more positive outlook on things? And how you feel less sluggish both in body and mind?

yes, and then my mind goes "Gwaahhhphhlleurrghhhbwwaahhh" and many calories later. Different person, like a hijack.
 
Everything everyone eats and everyone’s eating habits are a “diet”.

Does anyone notice that when you are a low carb eater how you think more clearly and have more positive outlook on things? And how you feel less sluggish both in body and mind?

You’re absolutely right, I agree entirely, living on beer & fast food is a diet etc. but I still avoid referring to low carb as a diet because I’ve found that people seem to automatically presume that ‘diet’ means a control by a limit of portion size or calories or what have you.
Whereas, at least in my case and in my experience, with low carb (lifestyle /diet) you eat as much as you want limited only by satiation.
I find that people more easily understand what low carb is if I describe it as a lifestyle. In the same way that people tend to understand being vegan as being a lifestyle rather than a diet.
I don’t live low carb because I want to lose weight, I live this way because it makes me feel great. The fact that my body now self manages my weight / shape is a bonus but the fact remains that your body will moderate your weight if it’s fuelled naturally.

You’re absolutely spot on with the less sluggish thing too. I very occasionally fast for a day or, once in a blue moon for two days, and I find that the extended ketosis takes the sharpness of low carb and hones it to a razors edge.
I do it if ever I’ve got major issues to deal with. It seems to really help me to find clarity in complex matters, to have patience where I’d more usually be pulling my hair out, and to be dispassionate in my decision making.
I always feel that I sleep incredibly well, mid-fast, and I get the best ever sleeps scores on my Fitbit to prove it.
 

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