Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

[Oohvonkyvonky]

Now now SOS we’re victims in this, had no idea who the singer was, he just got on stage with his guitar & belted out Munich.

ChatGPT made the video I heard

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

They were, went underground just before Betteshanger closed they were not very happy but still a good setof lads like all miners

Met plenty of miners in the ‘90s and they were good lads to a man.

 

[Gordyola]

You said: "I remained seated yesterday as the anthem was being played for something I do not want the country to be, this is 2023 and to still have a monarchy with people kowtowing to someone who is in a position by accident of birth is ridiculous."

So you did.

That brief explanation of why I remained seat is hardly a discussion
I think you are being pedantic for no reason

 

[John Wayne]

That brief explanation of why I remained seat is hardly a discussion
I think you are being pedantic for no reason

You call it pedantry, I call it accuracy.

 

[normskih]

I think you are wrong in this analysis, as the pit towns of the north and midlands were treated palpably worse by Thatcher and were more egregiously affected by her policies, and the residual evidence supports this.

I think the principal reason for this is Liverpool’s size, history and the fact it retained its docks, albeit in reduced scope, all of which enabled it to reinvent itself far more purposefully than pit towns such as Barnsley and Mansfield. This distinction is even more pronounced in the pit villages that surround those towns (and others) where the coal mine was the raison d’etre for the settlement in the first place. These are places where current levels of drug addiction and unemployment are far higher than in Liverpool.

Relative to such locations, Liverpool has actually benefitted long term from Thatcherism, the former of which have totally lost their way and are discernibly poorer than they were 40 years ago. That certainly could not be said about Liverpool. One only has to compare the cost of housing and the retail offering in Barnsley and Liverpool (and compare it with the picture prior to the miner’s strike in 1984) to completely appreciate that.

I happened to visit Barnsley earlier this year (and frequently visit Liverpool) and whilst the town centre was tidy, and many of the buildings well-maintained, the levels of social deprivation and chronic disability and illness among those that I saw in the town centre was striking and certainly far more pronounced than I’ve ever encountered in Liverpool. This isn’t just down to Thatcherite ’design’, it is also as a result of circumstance (both local and more widely) but to suggest that Liverpool has a particular, distinct (never mind greater) grievance with Thatcher and her policies than other places in the north, as is clearly implied when justifying booing the national anthem for that reason, is both wrong and intellectually dishonest.

Brilliantly put.

 

[KentBlue]

They were, went underground just before Betteshanger closed they were not very happy but still a good setof lads like all miners

And fuck me...could they drink! Played Betteshanger Social Club loads of times and these boys not only grafted hard but they supped hard as well. I've been a dedicated pisshead all my life and I'm no slouch - even at 66. But some of those blokes were just out of this world.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think Liverpool fans are entitled to protest about a song where the words and the meaning behind them are unambiguous, namely to reinforce the supremacy of a hereditary position (and system) which represents the beating heart of the establishment (that they feel aggrieved by). I think it would be very difficult to argue (in broad terms) against that being what the words to our national anthem represent, for better or worse. On that basis their protest is based upon a sound factual footing.

What they aren’t entitled to do, is take the far more ambiguous words to another song and ascribe their own interpretation upon it and treat that interpretation as a matter of absolute fact (which is echoed in the media) and then be offended by it. Which is precisely what they do with the ‘always the victims’ ditty. That is wholly different, because it is telling others what the ambiguous words to a song mean, in order to be offended by it.

There are blues on this thread that are failing to appreciate that the latter has given rise to other poster’s feelings on the former, especially given the associated hypocrisy and the inconsistent press coverage of each matter.

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[give it to gordon]

Closed down the mines all around me: Aylesham, Snowdown, Betteshanger. This part of the south coast was absolutely destroyed by Thatcher's policies. I used to gig three nights a week in the miner's clubs and made a decent living for my then-wife and my kids.

She ripped the heart out of the community and things will never be as they were. So it's not just the dippers that have good cause to hate Thatcher and her multi-millionaire chums for the way they fucked up the 1980's.

Yep all my ex brother in laws were miners, never really worked after the mines shut. One brother in law was fitted up by thatchers police got a fine and a criminal record and a big fine for fighting the police. It didnt matter that he was in bed at home at the time. The police said he was there so guilty.
My ex was a witness and called up to him to say his dinner was ready. He replied ok. But because my ex never saw him he prosecution said that could have been anyone saying ok !!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Could be either.

 

[FightLikeAGirl]

This is undeniable, and veterans as a whole tbh. But are you saying that is because of the royal family?

No, the government.

And yes, Manchester does have a big Irish community. My local grocery sells Irish products, including Tayto crisps.