BimboBob
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Why not pop along to Mamucium. A semi reconstructed Roman fort in Castlefield. It tells the story of a glimpse of Roman Manchester.
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Manchester - A city built by immigrants.
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Brightwell’s left peg
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Very interesting post, however missing a major influx.
No mention of the Argies influx 2008-2015.
No mention of the Argies influx 2008-2015.
urmston
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The current migrant crisis will solve itself.
When the economic and cultural benefits of the arrival of migrants become apparent in the countries which take a significant number, many other countries will start to encourage their arrival.
There could even be competition for them, with countries offering ever more generous incentives for them to come.
The Tories might even lose the next election for foolishly damaging the economy by not accepting enough migrants, and UKIP's vote could collapse.
When the economic and cultural benefits of the arrival of migrants become apparent in the countries which take a significant number, many other countries will start to encourage their arrival.
There could even be competition for them, with countries offering ever more generous incentives for them to come.
The Tories might even lose the next election for foolishly damaging the economy by not accepting enough migrants, and UKIP's vote could collapse.
Barcon
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How old are you mate?
57
sir baconface
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I know I'm repeating an old chestnut but most people of all mainstream political persuasions are perfectly happy with immigration in manageable numbers. Manchester, and indeed the UK, has a pretty honourable record, by and large. We are right to be proud of that.
It's when the numbers grow to a size that is difficult to assimilate that the real shit gets thrown around.
It's when the numbers grow to a size that is difficult to assimilate that the real shit gets thrown around.
uweuweuwe
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Very interesting post, however missing a major influx.
No mention of the Argies influx 2008-2015.
With didsbury being renamed little Buenos Aires as some team member seem to shop at Evans the fish mongers and a new Argentinian restaurant is opening soon.
Cheadle_hulmeBlue
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Yea, this whole identity of "we're English, we're proud" and we've been Mancunian since the dawn of time is complete bollocks....
My Great Great Grandmother was an Irish settler in Manchester, eventually the council built Heywood as a Manc. Overspill and she moved there.
why is it complete bollocks if thats the case your great great grandmother being irish is a load of bollocks then because a lot of times immigrants moved to ireland. I dont understand this thought that we shouldn't have our own identity now. your ancestors were from irleand therefore you say they are irish, I'm born here therefore imo I'm english, depends how far you want to go back really ? no ones been anyone since the dawn of time, but i can trace my family back quite a bit far back therefore id consider myself english. there re plenty of people whos family go back hundreds of years in england, because the romans invaded 2,000 odd years ago does that mean they aren't english now ?
the majority of movement into manchester was from other places in england during the revolution, i wouldn't class that as immigration. Even with ireland which has been invaded by romans, vikings the english ( bringing christianity with them) how can anyone claim to be irish then if a lot of its past is built on people moving there.?
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Ducado
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The OP is erroneous really Manchester (as we know it) was built by wealthy industrialists who needed an endless supply of cheap labour, they got this from the surrounding areas mainly (the villages and towns of Lancashire) who moved to the area, as the City grew richer they needed even more cheap labour which they got from huge Irish immigration (more than ever went to America) and to a lesser extent Jewish immigration which came in several waves the first of which were quite wealthy German and Swiss Jews followed by wealthy Syrian/Iraqi and Turkish Jewish Merchants who were then followed by an influx of Jews from Eastern Europe, historically there were quite a lot of Scotts who settled in the area and large number of Germans. In short it was a world City before anyone had thought of the concept and everyone played their part.
Incidentally prior to the Industrial Revolution Manchester (it's old boundaries) was quite a small and unimportant place Salford was the major player in the area, but it was ideally situated for industry having lots of water and space to grow
Incidentally prior to the Industrial Revolution Manchester (it's old boundaries) was quite a small and unimportant place Salford was the major player in the area, but it was ideally situated for industry having lots of water and space to grow
yorknomore
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why is it complete bollocks if thats the case your great great grandmother being irish is a load of bollocks then because a lot of times immigrants moved to ireland. I dont understand this thought that we shouldn't have our own identity now. your ancestors were from irleand therefore you say they are irish, I'm born here therefore imo I'm english, depends how far you want to go back really ? no ones been anyone since the dawn of time, but i can trace my family back quite a bit far back therefore id consider myself english. there re plenty of people whos family go back hundreds of years in england, because the romans invaded 2,000 odd years ago does that mean they aren't english now ?
the majority of movement into manchester was from other places in england during the revolution, i wouldn't class that as immigration. Even with ireland which has been invaded by romans, vikings the english ( bringing christianity with them) how can anyone claim to be irish then if a lot of its past is built on people moving there.?
Some people want to deny or wont acknowledge that Manchester has a rich history and to be a proud Mancunian is indeed something to be proud of. All this thread is showing is that some people think that immigrants are/were and will be more important than the Mancunians that have been,are and will be proud Mancunians. As you say you hear posters banging the drum about their Irish ancestors but forget to mention that you me or any given other person have ancestors going way back to Manchester.
When do 2nd 3rd 4th generation Mancunians start becoming just Mancunians without having to mention their entire DNA when self labelling?
sir baconface
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That's a strange interpretation of the thread. I thought people were illustrating Manchester's diversity through their own family histories. I would bet most of those posters of non-Manc descent are now proud Mancunians.Some people want to deny or wont acknowledge that Manchester has a rich history and to be a proud Mancunian is indeed something to be proud of. All this thread is showing is that some people think that immigrants are/were and will be more important than the Mancunians that have been,are and will be proud Mancunians. As you say you hear posters banging the drum about their Irish ancestors but forget to mention that you me or any given other person have ancestors going way back to Manchester.
When do 2nd 3rd 4th generation Mancunians start becoming just Mancunians without having to mention their entire DNA when self labelling?
I'd go further than that and say Mancs in general are more loud and proud of their city/conurbation than anyone else in England.