Mancini out? (merged)

[Matt the Giant]

Mancini: "The players should take responsibility - if they have big balls. If not, they can’t play in a top team."

When did he say this?

 

[Marvin]

Mancini: "The players should take responsibility - if they have big balls. If not, they can’t play in a top team."

Who is the target of his warnings besides the obvious (Nasri)? And is he saying those who don't perform from now until the end of the season are finished at City?

Or maybe the manager without balls can't manage a top team.

Short memory.

Who let themselves down at Soton? Hart and Barry - not the manager. Likewise champions League games where we made some ridiculous mistakes.

 

[Motty]

Perhaps Mancini hasn't become a bad manager overnight.
Perhaps he's always been a bad manager but was lucky enough to have an extravagantly talented squad that fed on its own success and its hunger to prove the doubters wrong and now need help and guidance and management to do what is generally recognised as one of the most difficult achievements - retain the title.

Really? He won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina, won the same competition with Lazio, as well as taking them into the Champions League, he then took charge of Inter and helped make them the best team in Italy, winning three league titles (although one of them only came because it was stripped from Juventus), as well as two more Coppa Italia's and two Italian Super Cups. They hadn't won anything since 1998 when he took charge.

Doesn't sound like a bad manager to me.

 

[Blue Haze]

Mancini: "The players should take responsibility - if they have big balls. If not, they can’t play in a top team."

Who is the target of his warnings besides the obvious (Nasri)? And is he saying those who don't perform from now until the end of the season are finished at City?

Problem is these are the same players he bought. Why did he buy players who lack balls?

 

[Marvin]

Perhaps Mancini hasn't become a bad manager overnight.
Perhaps he's always been a bad manager but was lucky enough to have an extravagantly talented squad that fed on its own success and its hunger to prove the doubters wrong and now need help and guidance and management to do what is generally recognised as one of the most difficult achievements - retain the title.

Really? He won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina, won the same competition with Lazio, as well as taking them into the Champions League, he then took charge of Inter and helped make them the best team in Italy, winning three league titles (although one of them only came because it was stripped from Juventus), as well as two more Coppa Italia's and two Italian Super Cups. They hadn't won anything since 1998 when he took charge.

Doesn't sound like a bad manager to me.

He's got another big test now. Got to repeat what he did last season after we lost at Arsenal

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mancini wanted RVP, he knew he was crucial to winning the title again.Had he got him, the current league table would be reversed. Somewhere along the line, amongst the backslapping the board lost focus and he was overruled due to the cost and the 'player profiles' we now work too and as a result we spunked the money badly elsewhere. Think Mancini far from being sacked will be given what he asks for this time around no questions asked.

I've heard this comedy line a few times now- if we had signed Rvp we'd be top now. Talking like we are some kind of Swansea with a couple of kids up front.

We had four strikers who cost more than 25 million. All four had the capabilities and track record to get20-30 goals per season. Our strike force was the envy of Europe. It's a crap and embarrassing excuse. Van persie is no better than aguero, it's just that unlike Mancini, ferguson knows how to slot him into a well designed and balanced team.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

He may have had a decent record in what was a rapidly declining serie A , riven with corruption but you declined to mention the fact that when given the opportunity to take on the best in European competition he failed, much like he is still doing.

 

[Motty]

He may have had a decent record in what was a rapidly declining serie A , riven with corruption but you declined to mention the fact that when given the opportunity to take on the best in European competition he failed, much like he is still doing.

It doesn't make him a bad manager. It might well be the factor that stops many from considering him a great one, but it doesn't make him bad. Bad managers don't win what he's won.

 

[Danamy]

Mancini wanted RVP, he knew he was crucial to winning the title again.Had he got him, the current league table would be reversed. Somewhere along the line, amongst the backslapping the board lost focus and he was overruled due to the cost and the 'player profiles' we now work too and as a result we spunked the money badly elsewhere. Think Mancini far from being sacked will be given what he asks for this time around no questions asked.

I've heard this comedy line a few times now- if we had signed Rvp we'd be top now. Talking like we are some kind of Swansea with a couple of kids up front.

We had four strikers who cost more than 25 million. All four had the capabilities and track record to get20-30 goals per season. Our strike force was the envy of Europe. It's a crap and embarrassing excuse. Van persie is no better than aguero, it's just that unlike Mancini, ferguson knows how to slot him into a well designed and balanced team.

That's a good point well made

When we don't play with pace and urgency Aguero is none effective, he needs quick sharp play around the box, this slow patient build up play is bollocks to him.

 

[dancity19]

Mancini: "The players should take responsibility - if they have big balls. If not, they can’t play in a top team."

Who is the target of his warnings besides the obvious (Nasri)? And is he saying those who don't perform from now until the end of the season are finished at City?

Or maybe the manager without balls can't manage a top team.

Short memory.

Who let themselves down at Soton? Hart and Barry - not the manager. Likewise champions League games where we made some ridiculous mistakes.

Are you joking. You can't go through an entire season blaming the players. At some point you have to ask the question, why are they under performing.

Rightly, or wrongly, the buck stops with the manager.

One week we are blaming the strikers, now Barry and Hart etc etc. We could argue he has been let down by his players in every game we haven't won this season, but when it is the players under performing on an alarming basis, you have to look at the manager. He is there to ensure they perform.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mancini wanted RVP, he knew he was crucial to winning the title again.Had he got him, the current league table would be reversed. Somewhere along the line, amongst the backslapping the board lost focus and he was overruled due to the cost and the 'player profiles' we now work too and as a result we spunked the money badly elsewhere. Think Mancini far from being sacked will be given what he asks for this time around no questions asked.

I've heard this comedy line a few times now- if we had signed Rvp we'd be top now. Talking like we are some kind of Swansea with a couple of kids up front.

We had four strikers who cost more than 25 million. All four had the capabilities and track record to get20-30 goals per season. Our strike force was the envy of Europe. It's a crap and embarrassing excuse. Van persie is no better than aguero, it's just that unlike Mancini, ferguson knows how to slot him into a well designed and balanced team.

That's a good point well made

When we don't play with pace and urgency Aguero is none effective, he needs quick sharp play around the box, this slow patient build up play is bollocks to him.

Correct mate. We had four top line strikers and haven't been able to get the best from any of them this season.

 

[Marvin]

Mancini wanted RVP, he knew he was crucial to winning the title again.Had he got him, the current league table would be reversed. Somewhere along the line, amongst the backslapping the board lost focus and he was overruled due to the cost and the 'player profiles' we now work too and as a result we spunked the money badly elsewhere. Think Mancini far from being sacked will be given what he asks for this time around no questions asked.

I've heard this comedy line a few times now- if we had signed Rvp we'd be top now. Talking like we are some kind of Swansea with a couple of kids up front.

We had four strikers who cost more than 25 million. All four had the capabilities and track record to get20-30 goals per season. Our strike force was the envy of Europe. It's a crap and embarrassing excuse. Van persie is no better than aguero, it's just that unlike Mancini, ferguson knows how to slot him into a well designed and balanced team.

That is true to a point. Aguero has been hit and miss all season and isolated by the inexplicable demise of Tevez, and the all too predictable failure of Balotelli.

Perhaps you big up Man Utd and Ferguson a bit too much. What happened to his kagawa plan? They just happen to have the biggest resources and have bought the League again

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Perhaps he's been a very lucky manager - same ends, just obtained for different reasons

 

[dancity19]

Mancini wanted RVP, he knew he was crucial to winning the title again.Had he got him, the current league table would be reversed. Somewhere along the line, amongst the backslapping the board lost focus and he was overruled due to the cost and the 'player profiles' we now work too and as a result we spunked the money badly elsewhere. Think Mancini far from being sacked will be given what he asks for this time around no questions asked.

I've heard this comedy line a few times now- if we had signed Rvp we'd be top now. Talking like we are some kind of Swansea with a couple of kids up front.

We had four strikers who cost more than 25 million. All four had the capabilities and track record to get20-30 goals per season. Our strike force was the envy of Europe. It's a crap and embarrassing excuse. Van persie is no better than aguero, it's just that unlike Mancini, ferguson knows how to slot him into a well designed and balanced team.

That is true to a point. Aguero has been hit and miss all season and isolated by the inexplicable demise of Tevez, and the all too predictable failure of Balotelli.

Perhaps you big up Man Utd and Ferguson a bit too much. What happened to his kagawa plan? They just happen to have the biggest resources and have bought the League again

Aguero, in front of goal, has been a bit hit and miss. But I would also argue he is being played out of position. The last 20 mins of the Lpool game when he played more through the middle he was phenomenal, looked like a top 5 in the world player almost. Then for the next game he reverts to a slightly wider position. It's things like this that makes you question Mancini.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Let's imagine for a moment that we DO sack our most successful manager ever.

Will that make ferguson and utd worse?
Will that stop Chelsea spending to improve their squad?
Will that stop the possibility of Liverpool improving next year?
Or spurs?
Or arsenal?

If the answer to all the above Q's is "no" then lets say we end up with mourinho (please god, no)..

What if utd STILL push for the title (which they will), and god forbid, win it next year? What if (as is highly likely) we get another "group of death" next season in the CL?

We could be sat here next year in a very similar position, having spent millions on sacking and recruiting managers to say nothing of any player purchases.

What do we do then. Sack the new manager?

Really?

This whole debate is an embarrassment. I don't believe there are another set of fans anywhere in the world as obtuse and frankly ungrateful as some on this forum.

If what happened to the scum last year on the last day had happened to us our fans would've burnt the ground down. Their fans rallied round their manager and team and are likely to be rewarded with another title.

Hate to say this but many on here could learn a thing or two about support from our hated neighbours. It's a similar story with the way our fans treated ballotelli in contrast to the way the filth treated cantona.

Embarrassing.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Let's imagine for a moment that we DO sack our most successful manager ever.

Will that make ferguson and utd worse?
Will that stop Chelsea spending to improve their squad?
Will that stop the possibility of Liverpool improving next year?
Or spurs?
Or arsenal?

If the answer to all the above Q's is "no" then lets say we end up with mourinho (please god, no)..

What if utd STILL push for the title (which they will), and god forbid, win it next year? What if (as is highly likely) we get another "group of death" next season in the CL?

We could be sat here next year in a very similar position, having spent millions on sacking and recruiting managers to say nothing of any player purchases.

What do we do then. Sack the new manager?

Really?

This whole debate is an embarrassment. I don't believe there are another set of fans anywhere in the world as obtuse and frankly ungrateful as some on this forum.

If what happened to the scum last year on the last day had happened to us our fans would've burnt the ground down. Their fans rallied round their manager and team and are likely to be rewarded with another title.

Hate to say this but many on here could learn a thing or two about support from our hated neighbours. It's a similar story with the way our fans treated ballotelli in contrast to the way the filth treated cantona.

Embarrassing.

What happened when Inter replaced Mancini with Mourinho?

 

[Kazzydeyna]

He took a squad that was well used to Europe and won the thing.

I'm not saying he couldn't or wouldn't win with us. I'm saying there are no guarantees. And I'm definitely definitely definitely saying that he would drop us like a Ton of hot shit when a more glamorous job became available.

Mourinho is 100% not the answer.

 

[Greg.W2]

Let's imagine for a moment that we DO sack our most successful manager ever.

Will that make ferguson and utd worse?
Will that stop Chelsea spending to improve their squad?
Will that stop the possibility of Liverpool improving next year?
Or spurs?
Or arsenal?

If the answer to all the above Q's is "no" then lets say we end up with mourinho (please god, no)..

What if utd STILL push for the title (which they will), and god forbid, win it next year? What if (as is highly likely) we get another "group of death" next season in the CL?

We could be sat here next year in a very similar position, having spent millions on sacking and recruiting managers to say nothing of any player purchases.

What do we do then. Sack the new manager?

Really?

This whole debate is an embarrassment. I don't believe there are another set of fans anywhere in the world as obtuse and frankly ungrateful as some on this forum.

If what happened to the scum last year on the last day had happened to us our fans would've burnt the ground down. Their fans rallied round their manager and team and are likely to be rewarded with another title.

Hate to say this but many on here could learn a thing or two about support from our hated neighbours. It's a similar story with the way our fans treated ballotelli in contrast to the way the filth treated cantona.




And You are the opposite extreme

 

[Dogtanian]

This thread makes me cringe

 

[Kid A]

He took a squad that was well used to Europe and won the thing.

I'm not saying he couldn't or wouldn't win with us. I'm saying there are no guarantees. And I'm definitely definitely definitely saying that he would drop us like a Ton of hot shit when a more glamorous job became available.

Mourinho is 100% not the answer.

Maybe, maybe not but I am no longer convinced that Bobby is. There are big questions about how far he can take us, and a failure to address that is a bigger risk in my opinion than considering making a change.

As for rag fans 'rallying round their team' after last season, I'm not sure what that even means. The majority of them are sheep who put up with whatever shite the club dishes out - like the Glazers leeching of them.