Mancini out? (merged)

[Josh Blue]

You were never in pal.

I'm glad. I don't want to be 'In' with you lot.

If we need someone to post infantile pictures and juvenile insults whilst displaying no discernable understanding of football whatsover we will come looking for you on one of the nipple threads in The Cellar, OK?

Bye now.

See you there! No hard feelings though Mark.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

First, Zabaleta and Kompany would have improved under Mussolini or Basil Fawlty. Barry, Lescott and De Jong all lost value after joining City. I give Mancini credit for giving Hart the reins when he did over Given, but Hart's real leap forward happened at Birmingham.

Richards has always been an immense talent, but has not played enough games to really show if he's improved or not from being the player that Chelsea wanted to buy off us. For every player that you can argue has improved, there are multiples who didn't and many of those cost more than 10 million quid - Boateng, Kolarov, Silva, Sinclair, Nasri, Adam

Johnson, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, Savic, Kolo, Adebayor, Santa Cruz...
I don't see much evidence that Mancini gets more out of players. Certainly not that the outside world values a player more after they have been at City. I see lots of evidence that we have bought stars and hope to get 80% out of what they gave to their last team.

When you refer to Mussolini and Basil Fawtly I assume you're talking about Ferguson and Hughes, in that order?

 

[pudge]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

Why?

 

[fbloke]

Mourinho dangling his cock out of his pants and enticing City?

Yawn and Meh!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mourinho dangling his cock out of his pants and enticing City?

Yawn and Meh!

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

 

[fbloke]

Mourinho dangling his cock out of his pants and enticing City?

Yawn and Meh!

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

Close your eyes deary ;-)

 

[Anonymous]

Mourinho dangling his cock out of his pants and enticing City?

Yawn and Meh!

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

You're a whore David, a whore I tells ya.

 

[Josh Blue]

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

Why?

........

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mourinho dangling his cock out of his pants and enticing City?

Yawn and Meh!

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

You're a whore David, a whore I tells ya.

I'm worse, fella, I'll do it for free...

 

[moomba]

Mancini not to be trusted on transfers is the latest line is it?

Makes me wonder why so many are upset with a league title and second spot seeing as he took over a team in 6th and wasted £185m.

 

[fbloke]

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

You're a whore David, a whore I tells ya.

I'm worse, fella, I'll do it for free...

Alas not all of the people you blow are the people you think you are blowing.

 

[NipHolmes]

You heard anything?

 

[fbloke]

You heard anything?

Who, me?

 

[Phil1]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

First, Zabaleta and Kompany would have improved under Mussolini or Basil Fawlty. Barry, Lescott and De Jong all lost value after joining City. I give Mancini credit for giving Hart the reins when he did over Given, but Hart's real leap forward happened at Birmingham. Richards has always been an immense talent, but has not played enough games to really show if he's improved or not from being the player that Chelsea wanted to buy off us. For every player that you can argue has improved, there are multiples who didn't and many of those cost more than 10 million quid - Boateng, Kolarov, Silva, Sinclair, Nasri, Adam Johnson, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, Savic, Kolo, Adebayor, Santa Cruz...

I don't see much evidence that Mancini gets more out of players. Certainly not that the outside world values a player more after they have been at City. I see lots of evidence that we have bought stars and hope to get 80% out of what they gave to their last team.

Your first sentence is just hyperbole intended to mock Mancini and isn't true. Barry was bought for 12 million and rather than lose value, his contributions have been priceless. At his age I think it's true to say nobody would be willing to spend 12 million again for him, but its a non argument in fairness. Lescott was bought at such an inflated price that it was never going to be a situation where we sold him on at a profit, instead he played a pivitol part in winning the league last year and has been involved in the best defence in the Prem for the last couple of seasons. Dejong wanted too much of a wage rise and due to his contract situation city's hands were tied in some respects though it could be argued we didn't play that one as well as we could.
Mentioning silva in the players that haven't improved doesn't help your argument whatsoever, Dzeko has hardly been a flop, Johnstone we got our money back plus profit, Tevez played an instrumental part of our progress, Balotelli, again played an important part in winning the trophies we have and we sold him for 20+million which wasn't that far from what we bought him for. Boetang never seemed a good fit at city for me and considering our full backs are up there with the best in the league I don't think you could say getting rid has hindered us (don't think we lost much money either?) Kolo has done a good enough job, again we overpaid due to the circumstances at the time - if we can get upwards of 10million for him in the summer then I don't think it would have been terrible business. Adabeyour and Santa Cruz are hard cases to make against Mancini as well, the latters injury record kept him out and the formers awful attitude kept him out. Kolorov, sinclair and Savic I would say have been his worse buys and the jury is still out on Nasri.
I suppose my point is you can make cases either way for the majority of players dependent on what your view is on Mancini to start with.

 

[Anonymous]

You heard anything?

yeah he has, said on twitter.

apparently the word on peoples lips is jose according to my mate as well.

 

[pudge]

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

Why?

You've been advocating football discussion all day DD.

Why not now?

 

[NipHolmes]

You heard anything?

Who, me?

Yes fella.

Cheers to above poster too.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The above is the basis on which i dont believe he is the answer for us.

Whatever your opinions on Hughes,he left us with the foundations of a Championship winning team,Mancini was lucky enough to inherit that.

The real succesful signings were 'no brainers' much like the ones he wanted and was denied last summer...... Hardly the stuff of managerial genius.

The amount of money he has wasted on mediocracy is mindblowing,especially considering the value that has gone elsewhere during his reign.

I really wouldnt want him spending any more money and handing contracts to inferior players,especially ones that do not even compliment or add balance to the team,something that has become a trademark.

If hes allowed to spend anymore on players that simply are not good enough we will never compete at the very top, the baffling thing is hes bought players that dont even seem to fit the system he likes to play-Dzeko must be banging his head against the wall in the way hes supposed to perform under his wingless wonder system.

No amount of wingers will make up for Dzeko's wretched first touch.

I sometimes wonder whether people on here know anything about football whatsoever.

It's Dzeko's appearances and goals, btw.

 

[Anonymous]

*Opens wide and prepares to swallow*

You're a whore David, a whore I tells ya.

I'm worse, fella, I'll do it for free...

 

[fbloke]

You heard anything?

yeah he has, said on twitter.

apparently the word on peoples lips is jose according to my mate as well.

I've personally heard more than enough TBH.

You may have read what Ive said on Twitter which can be summed up thusly -

"Not this again FFS!"

There are people way, way, way above my pay grade who are just as fucked off with this merry-go-round.

But as TH has said on this thread it will be a decision made by a very select few people.

Firstly though they have to convince themselves that their investment in Roberto is now spent. I'm not convinced they are there quite yet.