Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[Phil1]

ter Stegen has never played under Pep.

Well that solves that one. :-)

 

[geoff clipp]

Makes no sense for him to come here unless it was as our default number one and the shirt being his to lose. Why would he want to be back up at City when he's already back up at Barcelona plus with champions league games thrown in? Even if you remove Barcelona from the equation, it'd be a better move for him to go to Liverpool as their number one than us as number two. I know we view liverpool as bit of a joke but they're still a big club with a hugely respected manager. If he comes, it surely has to be as number one and I'd rather stick with Hart tbh. I think his distribution has noticeably improved in the past season or so and we'll never know how good he'd be in Pep's system until he's asked to play it.

 

[Phil1]

Makes no sense for him to come here unless it was as our default number one and the shirt being his to lose. Why would he want to be back up at City when he's already back up at Barcelona plus with champions league games thrown in? Even if you remove Barcelona from the equation, it'd be a better move for him to go to Liverpool as their number one than us as number two. I know we view liverpool as bit of a joke but they're still a big club with a hugely respected manager. If he comes, it surely has to be as number one and I'd rather stick with Hart tbh. I think his distribution has noticeably improved in the past season or so and we'll never know how good he'd be in Pep's system until he's asked to play it.

I don't think his distribution has improved at all tbh, and that's one of the problems. He's capable of the odd quick launch that sets us up but he looks unnatural with the ball at his feet and always has. I've seen many blame lack of movement from our players, which maybe to a small degree is the case but more often than not its Joe not being sharp enough or confident enough to play it when the chance is there. By the time he's made his mind up its often too late and the long boot to Aguero is the default mode.
I am desperate for Hart to be our first choice and I can't wait to see if he's got it in him to be the keeper that Guardiola wants/needs. He can't have a free reign at it though, there has to be some sort of challange that keeps him motivated.

 

[blueparrot]

Makes no sense for him to come here unless it was as our default number one and the shirt being his to lose. Why would he want to be back up at City when he's already back up at Barcelona plus with champions league games thrown in? Even if you remove Barcelona from the equation, it'd be a better move for him to go to Liverpool as their number one than us as number two. I know we view liverpool as bit of a joke but they're still a big club with a hugely respected manager. If he comes, it surely has to be as number one and I'd rather stick with Hart tbh. I think his distribution has noticeably improved in the past season or so and we'll never know how good he'd be in Pep's system until he's asked to play it.

People talk about Harts distribution, but a keeper distribution is as much about players making themselves available and knowing what to do with the ball quickly, so Pep will improve Harts distribution as much by improving the players around him as much as Hart himself.

 

[sk3ptical]

Wrong move

i think i will side with pep on this one

 

[Tugay One Cup]

It's like having 2 strikers, one is a great playmaker, great at free kicks & penalties, fantastic dribbler, but he can't score, he gets 1 in 10.

The other striker is alright at everything else, nowhere near the first guy, but bangs in a goal per game - who do you pick?

See but that's the comparison I was making with Hart. The striker who bangs in a goal per game despite seemingly offering little else (Gerd Muller springs to mind) would be the one I would pick. That's the stand out characteristic which should take priority over everything else from a player in that position. Similarly, the basic requirement that I would look for in a goalkeeper is the ability to keep shots from hitting the back of the net.

Although I do agree that being able to take part in those passing triangles is massively important, particularly in a Pep team. However, this is why I would hope that any keeper we sign would have Hart's shot stopping ability but with better distribution. To me, there's no point bringing in a keeper who adds a numerical advantage to our possession play but can't make the difference when really needed.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

wouldn't make any sense at all. Hart is better than ter stegen at everything apart from distribution, which people have become obsessed with. hart is not exactly bad with his distribution, he might not be able to ping 40 yard balls to feet every time... he's one of the best keepers in the league and one of the best in europe - it would just be stupid. when a pass isn't on he has to kick it long, our forwards rarely ever win headers.

add in the fact we would be losing one of our leaders. I dont think you can have 2 world class keepers, at barca, and other teams one always becomes unhappy.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Being realistic, if we are going to replace willy, why spend 20 million on butland or forster, who are nowhere near as good as ter stegen?

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Also, look at peps barca. What was there one weakness? Goalie. Cos valdes was inconsistent and his no 2 was pinto, who was shit

 

[Phil1]

wouldn't make any sense at all. Hart is better than ter stegen at everything apart from distribution, which people have become obsessed with. hart is not exactly bad with his distribution, he might not be able to ping 40 yard balls to feet every time... he's one of the best keepers in the league and one of the best in europe - it would just be stupid. when a pass isn't on he has to kick it long, our forwards rarely ever win headers.

add in the fact we would be losing one of our leaders. I dont think you can have 2 world class keepers, at barca, and other teams one always becomes unhappy.

Would you rather us buy somebody who isn't anywhere near as good as Hart? That's where we've been with the last couple of number twos and I don't think we've benefited at all. Fair play to Willy for his final heroics but that display papered over plenty of poor shows. Pants had his qualities but nowhere near good enough to hold down a first team place at a club hunting for trophies.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Would you rather us buy somebody who isn't anywhere near as good as Hart? That's where we've been with the last couple of number twos and I don't think we've benefited at all. Fair play to Willy for his final heroics but that display papered over plenty of poor shows. Pants had his qualities but nowhere near good enough to hold down a first team place at a club hunting for trophies.

i get what your saying, but its very hard to have two equally good keepers because in the end one will want to leave as they wont be playing - ter stegen at the moment. I'm not really sure who could be good enough that would want to sit on the bench.

gk is not a problem position for us

 

[Phil1]

i get what your saying, but its very hard to have two equally good keepers because in the end one will want to leave as they wont be playing - ter stegen at the moment. I'm not really sure who could be good enough that would want to sit on the bench.

That's the dilemma isn't it? On this one, I just think if he's willing to come then we'd be daft not to go for it. Any other keeper we look at would probably be in and around 10-15 million (plucked those figures from my arse tbf) and for the extra we'd fork out to guarantee us a top class keeper would be money well spent.
I suppose it all hinges on what Caballero is planning on doing.

 

[mat]

This rumour does not go away.

Would Joe move or fight? I think he would fight like he did with Schmeichel.

 

[Itsaar]

To all those who have read the article and quote facts, here's a few. Hart, Englands No1, A proven winner in the Premier League, Golden glove winner, City through and through. Also for good measure we have young Gunn who must be a season or two away from challenging Joe. For me its a big NO, don't need another foreign keeper as No2, get Green or similar home grown till Gunn is ready.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

That's the dilemma isn't it? On this one, I just think if he's willing to come then we'd be daft not to go for it. Any other keeper we look at would probably be in and around 10-15 million (plucked those figures from my arse tbf) and for the extra we'd fork out to guarantee us a top class keeper would be money well spent.
I suppose it all hinges on what Caballero is planning on doing.

yea it is a good dilemma to have though, but if ter stegen is coming here for first team football and he is number 1 then wed have the same problem of then having to buy another keeper as good to replace hart. willy is a good enough replacement, usually hart plays the majority of games anyway.
for me
Ter stegen - distrubution
Hart - all other aspects of keeping.

 

[BenjaniMwaruwari]

Fuk off, Pep

 

[domalino]

See but that's the comparison I was making with Hart. The striker who bangs in a goal per game despite seemingly offering little else (Gerd Muller springs to mind) would be the one I would pick. That's the stand out characteristic which should take priority over everything else from a player in that position. Similarly, the basic requirement that I would look for in a goalkeeper is the ability to keep shots from hitting the back of the net.

Although I do agree that being able to take part in those passing triangles is massively important, particularly in a Pep team. However, this is why I would hope that any keeper we sign would have Hart's shot stopping ability but with better distribution. To me, there's no point bringing in a keeper who adds a numerical advantage to our possession play but can't make the difference when really needed.

But there aren't any shotstoppers better than Hart who are also very good with their feet - Neuer or the donut thief are probably the only two.

And ter Stegen is not a poor goalkeeper who happens to be good on the ball, he's very good. Guardiola and his team aren't mugs, they know what a goalkeeper has to do between the posts, and ter Stegen didn't win the Champions League, getting past PSG (twice), us, Bayern Munich and Juventus without being very good at all the usual goalkeeping stuff.

 

[5948947]

Who the fucks Ian Darke?

 

[kaz7]

Fuk off, Pep

He is from BT so put on the ignore pile

 

[Tugay One Cup]

But there aren't any shotstoppers better than Hart who are also very good with their feet - Neuer or the donut thief are probably the only two.

And ter Stegen is not a poor goalkeeper who happens to be good on the ball, he's very good. Guardiola and his team aren't mugs, they know what a goalkeeper has to do between the posts, and ter Stegen didn't win the Champions League, getting past PSG (twice), us, Bayern Munich and Juventus without being very good at all the usual goalkeeping stuff.

All very good points.