Marc-Andre ter Stegen

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Pablo1 said:
Yep, buying a decent keeper who fits Guardiolas way of playing, is young and has big game experience. Fucking awful.
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This team will have no identity at all in a couple of years. Not to mention the homegrown issue.
 
Bluewonder said:
This team will have no identity at all in a couple of years. Not to mention the homegrown issue.
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We're about to embark on a period where our identity is going to go through some big changes. You need to get used to that mate. I'd say withinn 18 months pretty much everyone of our title winning team will be gone or bit part players. Ironically Hart is one of the couple who could remain an ever present if he wants it enough.
 
Pablo1 said:
We're about to embark on a period where our identity is going to go through some big changes. You need to get used to that mate. I'd say withinn 18 months pretty much everyone of our title winning team will be gone or bit part players. Ironically Hart is one of the couple who could remain an ever present if he wants it enough.
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Yeah that's fine. Not many top sides have been built without a core of players who have been together for years, (either having graduated from the youth academy or joined in their early twenties).
Ironically Pep's two clubs (current and former) are prime examples. I hope he's aware of this and doesn't dispense immediately of our core: Zaba, Kompany and Hart in particular, and even tries to add to it by dipping into the CFA.
 
Bluewonder said:
Yeah that's fine. Not many top sides have been built without a core of players who have been together for years, (either having graduated from the youth academy or joined in their early twenties).
Ironically Pep's two clubs (current and former) are prime examples. I hope he's aware of this and doesn't dispense immediately of our core: Zaba, Kompany and Hart in particular, and even tries to add to it by dipping into the CFA.
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I think the big hope is we'll finally have somebody who puts trust in youngsters so there's every chance we'll see more impact from the CFA.
I'd love to see the main men of our recent success given at least 12 months under Pep. I think Hart, Kompany, silva and Zabaleta all have a part to play still. After that I guess Pep will have a better idea of who can stay and who can go. It's going to be a fun ride whatever happens.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Alright, if you want me to elaborate for you......

1. You are advocating replacing a proven, top quality goalkeeper, with 57 international caps to his name and still in his 20's, with someone relatively inexperienced, who has played the grand total of 4 games in 2 seasons for his current club.
2. Joe Hart is arguably the best one on one shot blocker in world football, in the top half dozen (IMO) when it comes to the spectacular stuff, and at 6ft 4', a real physical presence in a very physical league. I too would prefer him to catch the ball from corners, but if you want to cite that (along with his supposedly suspect distribution - which I personally would call bullshit given that he only ever has a collection of diddymen to aim at) as grounds to get rid, then frankly I think you're certifiable.
3. Joe Hart is English. Our inadequate home grown quota has already led to us being held over a barrel once, when that bastard Milner played silly buggers over signing a new contract safe in the knowledge that due to FFP restrictions, we couldn't afford to offload him because of his nationality. Ditching Hart would pretty much leave us with Delph, Clichy and Sterling in that capacity. Quite apart from leaving us short on squad numbers, it would also make us vulnerable to legislative change dreamt up by rag c*nts like Gill and Dyke, the latter of whom would love nothing more than to up the home grown quota, a) because it would suit the rags, the dippers, the Arse and Spurs to do so, and b) because it would stiff us.
4. A lesser point, but Joe Hart is effectively one of our own. A big character who loves the club and who is (IMO) good for morale.

Is Joe Hart perfect? No, of course not. He drops the odd ricket, like the fuck up at home to Swansea or the soft scuffer he let in from Lallana recently, just like any other keeper, but that notwithstanding he's a fucking good goalie, who's saved our bacon on umpteen occasions. As priorities go, trying to find a replacement for him is pretty much second only to selling Aguero on my list. There, will that do for you?
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Fucking totally agree.
 
Bluewonder said:
Yeah that's fine. Not many top sides have been built without a core of players who have been together for years, (either having graduated from the youth academy or joined in their early twenties).
Ironically Pep's two clubs (current and former) are prime examples. I hope he's aware of this and doesn't dispense immediately of our core: Zaba, Kompany and Hart in particular, and even tries to add to it by dipping into the CFA.
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Sorry mate but I genuinely believe Zab is on the decline and Vinnie has become too unreliable. I don't see either being considered part of Pep's core
 
domalino said:
I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. If Hart could play with his feet like Pep needs his keepers to then everyone would pick Joe.

The same journalist who reported the deal also said Hart is "relishing the fight" and will definitely stay, believing he'll win just like he did vs. Caballero.
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If Pep thinks his GK is a problem and needs replacing he's in for a shock when he sees the rest of the team

IMO money needs spending elsewhere
 
Pablo1 said:
It's gonna be a tough sell mate, people don't want to see Harts deficiencies. Making light of his lack of ball skills and arguing he's a good shot stopper is all well and good - well it is if you've never watched a Guardiola team.
The simple fact is if he doesn't raise his game in that area he won't be our number one for long.
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Has there ever been a goalkeeper who wasn't a good 'shot-stopper'? It kind of comes with the job description. However, he's actually lacking when it come to stopping shots from outside the box to his bottom left.
 
ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN said:
If Pep thinks his GK is a problem and needs replacing he's in for a shock when he sees the rest of the team

IMO money needs spending elsewhere
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Pep's entire system is built around creating a numerical advantage in one area of the pitch. Having a goalkeeper who can play as a member of the backline will be just as important to pep as anyone else we buy, it's fundamental to creating a free player.

Money does need spending elsewhere, but unless we have a keeper who can play the right way then we'll be playing a man down.

The people in for a shock are a fair few fans who don't seem to grasp how completely different Guardiolas team will be.
 
Jutt said:
I guess the Champions League starts don't mean anything huh?
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Yes, when you were brought in to be a full time starter and haven't played in league games...it is a problem (injury did have an effect in the beginning obviously). He also made some glaring errors in CL play . Yes, had some good play v Bayern and the PK save but nothing worth 20 million dollars. A lot of Germany supporters will tell you he's not even the #2 or #3 GK for country going forward. Why would we want him #1. Save the money. This is just my opinion though and some people love him...
 
Bluewonder said:
Yeah that's fine. Not many top sides have been built without a core of players who have been together for years, (either having graduated from the youth academy or joined in their early twenties).
Ironically Pep's two clubs (current and former) are prime examples. I hope he's aware of this and doesn't dispense immediately of our core: Zaba, Kompany and Hart in particular, and even tries to add to it by dipping into the CFA.
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keeping the discussion just about these 3 players zabba decline in the last 2 years is very clear and vinny is injury prone hart looks the only one who could survive from these
 
Look at it this way, at the point in the season that we're at right now, would you want someone of Caballero's caliber in net or Ter Stegen? Those of you claiming we should just be going for someone of Willy's level don't seem to notice that swapping Willy for ter Stegen, regardless of who the starter will be, improves the squad.
 
KCblue said:
Look at it this way, at the point in the season that we're at right now, would you want someone of Caballero's caliber in net or Ter Stegen? Those of you claiming we should just be going for someone of Willy's level don't seem to notice that swapping Willy for ter Stegen, regardless of who the starter will be, improves the squad.
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Two ones make ........a two.We need a one and a good two.
 
Seem to remember Pearce needing his goalkeeper as an extra man.
Hope Pep does better than him.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ransfer-manchester-city-marc-andre-ter-stegen

Joe Hart will stay put if Manchester City sign Marc-André ter Stegen


Joe Hart has no intention of seeking a transfer from Manchester City if Pep Guardiola buys Marc-André ter Stegen in the summer as he is determined to fight for his place next season.

Guardiola wants to make Ter Stegen one of his first signings from Barcelona, with the 23-year-old German likely to cost in the region of £20m.

But Hart is unconcerned at the prospect of Ter Stegen joining and believes he can establish himself as the No1 under Guardiola, who replaces Manuel Pellegrini on 1 July when the Spaniard leaves Bayern Munich to become head coach.
 
If he'd accept being number 2 it would be a great transfer.

However, if he'd accept being number 2 he'd not be leaving Barcelona.

Pep's first season is going to be a rebuild job either way & I'm not expecting miracles, so I'm of the opinion Hart should be given the year to prove he can play the distribution game, if it doesn't work out then so be it. Personally see it more as the defenders job to show for the ball & create space for the pass, as often the passes required by the GK aren't particularly hard to make & I'd assume Hart could kick a ball 20 yards pretty accurately if he actually has a target to hit (or I'd hope so).

Would feel a bit like buying De Bruyne this season, fantastic player but is he really what we needed to solve our problems? If we'd spent £50m on fullbacks & CM's instead I feel we'd have been better off (even if I'm delighted we have him for next season now).
 
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