Middle East Conflict

[Metal Biker]

Wrong. Yesterday I thought the balance of probability and evidence indiacated it was isreal. Then you and others pointed out IJ had rockets that could do yhat kind of damage. Now I'm undecided . There is an awful lot that still doesnt stack up especially on the IDF side. I don't see how anyone can be certain it wasng the IDF.

I'm certain it wasn't the IDF mostly BECAUSE of the facts that have been revealed since the annoucement of the explosion. A lot of the blame has now shifted in the PIJ proving their innocence, and nobody can.

 

[Scottyboi]

JDAMs have an airburst function on the MK 83 and 84 models, there wouldn't necessarily be a crator, no one knows for sure if it was a misfire or the IDF, both will claim the other did it, but fforxsure no one on bluemoon can say either way who it was as nothing on social media not even geoconfirmed (whos thread on it was sketchy to fuck and guesswork) know for sure, I mean one video posted on twitter claiming it was footage was from 2002

The footage was directly off AlJazeeras live stream. And yep no one knows for certain, can only go off what is available. What was sketchy about geoconfirmed?

 

[Metal Biker]

Assuming it was a big rocket that hit. Which it wasn't. Sure. But now that we've seen the damage, we know it could have been done by the kinds of rockets their nutty friends try to fire

PIJ have a number of 90kg warheads than can be fired from Iranian MLRS. Looks very much like a 90kg rocket to me.

 

[trueblue1972]

Difference between Hamas and Not-in-yahoo is that the former is a Dictator and the latter can and most likely will get voted out once this present response is completed

He has to go after this surely ? One is that people will realise that the oppression has definitely caused risen tensions and globall support and secondly for the security failure, his promise to peolle who moves I to settlements was their safety

 

[west didsblue]

saying you support a 2 state solution is easy until you actually realise that means bulldozing the 244+ Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land.

Because you can’t expect Palestinians to accept a 2 state solution where Israel takes even more of their land than they had 35 years ago.

That’s why Likud and Netenyahu built them, they know it makes a 2 state soliton impossible.

And everyone knows that, so actually saying you support a 2 state solution is meaningless at best, and at worst means you support the status quo.

A number of deals were on the table during Barak’s and Olmert’s prime ministerships that included Israel keeping the main longstanding settlement blocs and handing over equivalent areas of Israel to the Palestinians. For various reasons these proposals were rejected due to the extremists on both sides scuppering them. I’d like to think that after this latest round of violence the Israelis will get rid of Netanyahu’s right wing settler appeasing government and go in a totally different direction. Similarly if Hamas get eradicated maybe a more moderate Palestinian leadership can represent all Palestinians. Unfortunately as long as Iran is on the sidelines stirring up trouble via its proxies any sort of deal is a long shot.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No, not at all. It's one person who made a dumb tweet and then deleted it.

Such an incredible coincidence. He made it just after the hospital bombing. And it was his job to disseminate IDF attacks on Social media. Not random.

I am sorry but I am struggling to think you really beleive that it was an incredible concidence.

 

[Metal Biker]

The footage was directly off AlJazeeras live stream. And yep no one knows for certain, can only go off what is available. What was sketchy about geoconfirmed?

GeoConfirmed have been well respected in their coverage of the Ukraine/Russian Invasion, yet on this they're suddenly "sketchy".

 

[Scottyboi]

No I think the people behind the idf twitter accounts would gladly take responsibility for a bombing they didn’t do because they’re unprofessional and bloodthirsty.

Ultimately there’s enough proper militaries in the region a- US, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran - that an Israeli missile would be tracked all the way from launch to impact and someone would have spilled the beans.

Plus Biden’s trip was already risky before, there’s no way he goes if the USA weren’t sure it wasn’t Israel.

Yep that Israeli on twitter didn't even know himself who did it. But he was prepared to defend why Israel would bomb a hospital and then had to backtrack.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Anyway a good debate chaps, just sad that it's been about such a terrible incident.

 

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The United States has blocked a United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolution that would have established humanitarian pauses in the ongoing Israeli war on the blockaded Palestinian Gaza Strip.

The US on Wednesday vetoed the resolution that had been drafted by Brazil and had sought to broker aid access to Gaza amid the incessant Israeli airstrikes and shelling against people in the tiny strip of land.

Representatives of 12 countries in the 15-member UNSC voted in favor of the resolution while Britain and Russia abstained. A UNSC resolution needs the approval of all five veto-wielding members of the body, including the US, to pass. Besides, for the resolution to pass, no permanent member should cast a veto.

US Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield justified her country’s veto, saying “this resolution did not mention Israel’s right of self-defense.”

sauce is Iranian.

US vetoes UNSC resolution demanding humanitarian pause in Gaza

The US vetoes a UNSC resolution demanding humanitarian pauses in the Israeli regime’s war on Gaza.

www.presstv.ir