Middle East Conflict

bluetonium said:
Just read an article on the BBC about how Hamas are weaponising sex, or rape to be frank. It's the hardest thing I've read in a long time, please be aware before you look at it that even the usual earnings don't do it justice.

There are a few Palestine flags in windows that I see on the walk to school with the kids, up to now I've always rationalised it as deeper than just one attack, certainly not one sided and very historical. But I'm finding it hard to be 'ok' with such public shows of support in light of the news we are getting every day out of this, especially as a few are houses belonging to families I know and chat with.
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This is purely because of political identity. Certainly the left are ideologically bought into this and so they have to fight for it even if they don't understand it or realise that it actually has nothing to do with them.

Of course anyone can fight for injustices but that's where the hypocrisy begins because there are numerous other injustices in the world but how many of these people put Ukraine flags in their window? I bet none.

I find it hard to be okay with any of it to be honest, anyone can show solidarity with either party but the energy behind it means it'll just get more extreme. There is no innocent side or correct opinion because both just want to kill each other. It's just a fact that one side is far better armed than the other.

Had Hamas been armed and tooled up like Israel then Israel would be facing genocide too.
 
The blue phantom said:
Looks like the Israelis are going to flood all the tunnels. Pipework being erected from the sea currently.
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They have already started flooding the tunnels. The families of the Israeli hostages see this as a death sentence and have berated Netanyahu. The Israeli Government seem to have given up on the hostages and are only prioritising destroying Hamas and civilian infrastructure. Some of Hamas’ leadership have been eliminated so Netanyahu feels his approach is working.
 
inbetween said:
This is purely because of political identity. Certainly the left are ideologically bought into this and so they have to fight for it even if they don't understand it or realise that it actually has nothing to do with them.

Of course anyone can fight for injustices but that's where the hypocrisy begins because there are numerous other injustices in the world but how many of these people put Ukraine flags in their window? I bet none.

I find it hard to be okay with any of it to be honest, anyone can show solidarity with either party but the energy behind it means it'll just get more extreme. There is no innocent side or correct opinion because both just want to kill each other. It's just a fact that one side is far better armed than the other.

Had Hamas been armed and tooled up like Israel then Israel would be facing genocide too.
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I don’t know where you get this BS from but I see loads of people still displaying the Ukrainian flag on social media (I do), take refugees from Ukraine into their homes and fund raise for Ukraine.

Anyway, it’s been inevitable what was going to happen since the 7 October atrocity and the devastating intelligence failings. This thread is pretty pointless now.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
They have already started flooding the tunnels. The families of the Israeli hostages see this as a death sentence and have berated Netanyahu. The Israeli Government seem to have given up on the hostages and are only prioritising destroying Hamas and civilian infrastructure. Some of Hamas’ leadership have been eliminated so Netanyahu feels his approach is working.
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I didn't know they'd started I was just watching the setting up of all the pumps. I guess it's an instant death sentence as you say for the hostages.
 
The blue phantom said:
I didn't know they'd started I was just watching the setting up of all the pumps. I guess it's an instant death sentence as you say for the hostages.
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Based on the video I saw, I think they started to flood tunnels where Hamas have attacked Israeli encampments. One IDF camp was reported to have been attacked through tunnels with lots of soldiers dead, RIP.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I don’t know where you get this BS from but I see loads of people still displaying the Ukrainian flag on social media (I do), take refugees from Ukraine into their homes and fund raise for Ukraine.

Anyway, it’s been inevitable what was going to happen since the 7 October atrocity and the devastating intelligence failings. This thread is pretty pointless now.
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The most involved Palestine protesters are the same people who blame NATO for the war in Ukraine.

Many of these people will fly the USSR flag before the Ukraine flag which is ironic given what we're talking about isn't it?
 
inbetween said:
The most involved Palestine protesters are the same people who blame NATO for the war in Ukraine.

Many of these people will fly the USSR flag before the Ukraine flag which is ironic given what we're talking about isn't it?
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Have you considered writing columns for the daily mail rather than posting it for free on here?
 
inbetween said:
The most involved Palestine protesters are the same people who blame NATO for the war in Ukraine.

Many of these people will fly the USSR flag before the Ukraine flag which is ironic given what we're talking about isn't it?
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I can’t speak for other posters. I just find it sad when there is no empathy for the many thousands of Palestinian kids who are getting slaughtered.

The Russia vs Ukraine war is complex. Personally, I cheer every success of the Ukrainian army. That said, even Israel was an ally of Russia before it suited them to part waves.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I can’t speak for other posters. I just find it sad when there is no empathy for the many thousands of Palestinian kids who are getting slaughtered.

The Russia vs Ukraine war is complex. Personally, I cheer every success of the Ukrainian army. That said, even Israel was an ally of Russia before it suited them to part waves.
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Part waves. Very good :)
 
lee_wsm said:
Have they fully flooded or using it as propaganda to get Hamas out of tunnels
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It’s very difficult to know Lee. It could be propaganda, the real thing or a half way house type token effort. Israel claim to have arrested many Hamas fighters today but it is unclear if this tactic played a part in the reported arrests.
 
mexico1970 said:
People are still genuinely thinking that calling Israel out for war crimes is bothering them, it's like calling Hamas out for war crimes they couldn't care less.
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It’s worse than that. Israel tries to kill people from organisations who call them out for war crimes. Hamas in the same league if not worse, though.
 

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mexico1970 said:
No hope for either mate, both complicit killers of anyone and everyone.
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Watched a video from an American Jewish survivor. She was saved because people scrambked over her to avoid hand grenades Hamas through into the bunker they were hiding in. The people on the kibbutz wouldn’t have been Netanyahu fans but that didn’t do them any good. Horrible all round.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Watched a video from an American Jewish survivor. She was saved because people scrambked over her to avoid hand grenades Hamas through into the bunker they were hiding in. The people on the kibbutz wouldn’t have been Netanyahu fans but that didn’t do them any good. Horrible all round.
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The real fools are the people who believes the ideology on both sides can be tempered or even cured.

And those of course who take sides not seeing the crimes of the people they support or at least giving the crimes a reason by excusing them.
 
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