Middle East Conflict

mexico1970 said:
The real fools are the people who believes the ideology on both sides can be tempered or even cured.

And those of course who take sides not seeing the crimes of the people they support or at least giving the crimes a reason by excusing them.
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The neutrals are wise then, not to pick a side and still not have a clue what to do about it (and not much interest in how we got here).
 
Vic said:
The neutrals are wise then, not to pick a side and still not have a clue what to do about it (and not much interest in how we got here).
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It takes someone not invested in it to solve it, not someone who takes a side. Are you arguing against that principle Vic?

There is probably a mathematician with the answer in numerical form somewhere but the pontificating holders of culture religion and politics are clogging the drain up with verbal bullshit.
 
mexico1970 said:
It takes someone not invested in it to solve it, not someone who takes a side. Are you arguing against that principle Vic?

There is probably a mathematician with the answer in numerical form somewhere but the pontificating holders of culture religion and politics are clogging the drain up with verbal bullshit.
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Oh... yet "The real fools are the people who believes the ideology on both sides can be tempered or even cured."

So you want someone to solve it who (a) doesn't take a side but (b) is not fool enough to believe either side's ideology can be tempered let alone cured...
 
Vic said:
Oh... yet "The real fools are the people who believes the ideology on both sides can be tempered or even cured."

So you want someone to solve it who (a) doesn't take a side but (b) is not fool enough to believe either side's ideology can be tempered let alone cured...
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Have you banged your head? I suppose being an ideologue your view (If you have one) would be more reasoned than everyone elses.

It can only be cured/solved by common sense maybe even take the land from both of them?

Let me guess? You're not on Israel's side? What's your solution Vic it can be as wild as mine and as crazy as you like.
 
It really doesn’t matter who’s at fault for not wanting peace. The reality is that not working towards peace is a dead end for everyone. Unless one side believes they can completely annihilate their opposition then all this is pointless. That’s logic.

Imo if the current Israeli government made an announcement saying they would work towards a two state solution with willing Palestinian peace seeking partners, with key dates and transition landmarks as a part of a post war peace plan they would gain so much political capital.

Not only would many international partners be praising their initiative, regional neighbors like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other parts of the Arab league would happily give legitimacy to Israel’s peace plan if Israel shows they are genuine, and even help Israel find Palestinians leaders to broker such a peace. This would be the most effective way to undercut Hamas’ and other terrorist groups clout with the Palestinians.


Would this change hearts and minds overnight? Of course not, but with many Palestinians already under the age of 18 their would be a path to win the hearts and minds of future generations.
 
BayernMan said:
It really doesn’t matter who’s at fault for not wanting peace. The reality is that not working towards peace is a dead end for everyone. Unless one side believes they can completely annihilate their opposition then all this is pointless. That’s logic.

Imo if the current Israeli government made an announcement saying they would work towards a two state solution with willing Palestinian peace seeking partners, with key dates and transition landmarks as a part of a post war peace plan they would gain so much political capital.

Not only would many international partners be praising their initiative, regional neighbors like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other parts of the Arab league would happily give legitimacy to Israel’s peace plan if Israel shows they are genuine, and even help Israel find Palestinians leaders to broker such a peace. This would be the most effective way to undercut Hamas’ and other terrorist groups clout with the Palestinians.


Would this change hearts and minds overnight? Of course not, but with many Palestinians already under the age of 18 their would be a path to win the hearts and minds of future generations.
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What would Israel do with their own terrorists?
 
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Knesset committee urges ministry to send international health organizations an official report with evidence of the drugging and other disturbing post-release medical findings.

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Scandal-stained Israeli ‘rescue’ group fuels October 7 fabrications - The Grayzone

Founded by a serial rapist known as the "Haredi Jeffrey Epstein," Israeli ultra-Orthodox rescue group ZAKA is responsible for some of the most obscene post-October 7 atrocity fabrications, from beheaded babies to "mass rape" to a fetus cut from its mother. Secretary of State Tony Blinken and...
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It was established much earlier in this thread that Grayzone is not a credible news source and just posts anti-Israel propaganda based on snippets of stories that are used to create a fake narrative.
 
Scottyboi said:
Of all the things to have a go at Israel for this isn't one of them. You can't fuck about when taking that many prisoners one mishap and you're fucked.
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Mmmm, obviously don’t understand the rules with regard to Captured Personnel. Even if they were part of the war, they still have rights.
 
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