Middle East Conflict

Blue and true said:
If your friends are fighting in the IDF, then they are complicit in the deaths of those children. Just like anyone associated with Hamas is complicit in the deaths on Oct 7th.

And by the way, I'm fucking ashamed that people like you are City fans.
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You jump to conclusions too quickly, no one kills children on our side, but terrorism that places children in the front because it knew for years that it would get away with its actions, well the story ends 07/10
will not return and no terrorist method will succeed in the face of our determination to return abductees and make sure that this was the last time
that civilians are murdered like this on a holiday - Israel will play the Mediterranean game even if it is tough - yes I am a City fan from the 70's and proud of every one of our fans who seek peace and not terrorism
 
tel aviv city said:
You jump to conclusions too quickly, no one kills children on our side, but terrorism that places children in the front because it knew for years that it would get away with its actions, well the story ends 07/10
will not return and no terrorist method will succeed in the face of our determination to return abductees and make sure that this was the last time
that civilians are murdered like this on a holiday - Israel will play the Mediterranean game even if it is tough - yes I am a City fan from the 70's and proud of every one of our fans who seek peace and not terrorism
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You jump to conclusions too quickly, no one kills children on our side, but terrorism that places children in the front because it knew for years that it would get away with its actions, well the story ends 07/10

LOOOOL are u a troll or just someone who lives in denial???
 
DutchSMOKE11 said:
You jump to conclusions too quickly, no one kills children on our side, but terrorism that places children in the front because it knew for years that it would get away with its actions, well the story ends 07/10

LOOOOL are u a troll or just someone who lives in denial???
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DutchSMOKE11 said:
You jump to conclusions too quickly, no one kills children on our side, but terrorism that places children in the front because it knew for years that it would get away with its actions, well the story ends 07/10

LOOOOL are u a troll or just someone who lives in denial???
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Yes I live in denial, I lost friends and relatives like everyone else here 3 thousand were at the party
, there are tens of thousands of wounded here
And thousands of disabled people of 07/10
, it's easiest to talk thousands of miles away, and chatter about morality.
Whoever commits such a massacre must be punished and the whole world knew that they no longer hurt defenseless citizens at a party.
How many days of military service did you do to defend your country? How much did you give up for your family for your homeland?
An attack in Gaza is on the scale of Europe and no one will talk about a harsh response and the killing of children or about schools being terror tunnels
 
tel aviv city said:
Yes I live in denial, I lost friends and relatives like everyone else here 3 thousand were at the party
, there are tens of thousands of wounded here
And thousands of disabled people of 07/10
, it's easiest to talk thousands of miles away, and chatter about morality.
Whoever commits such a massacre must be punished and the whole world knew that they no longer hurt defenseless citizens at a party.
How many days of military service did you do to defend your country? How much did you give up for your family for your homeland?
An attack in Gaza is on the scale of Europe and no one will talk about a harsh response and the killing of children or about schools being terror tunnels
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Since 2008 and before 7th October Israel killed 6407 Palestinians. 308 Israelis were killed during the same period.
 
Perhaps a few of you would like to post your own photographs in reply, just in case you are not real people.
If so, it would be disingenuous not to remove your keffiyehs first.
 
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Like all Israeli propaganda
And especially after the brainwashing of the media, for example the bbc that for years shows only one side and of course Israel is the biggest and the bad here, even when Hamas bombed a hospital by mistake they of course blamed Israel, I don't intend to fight here and certainly not to stoop low, and especially since City is my life, I built a room At home to City
I love every blue fan, and can understand the anger towards Israel and on the other hand everyone here dreams of quiet days and personal trips as much as possible to my favorite city more than anything - Manchester
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The difference between the Irish & Palestinians is that most Irish people fucked off to places like the UK and USA when the going got tough in Ireland. More people emigrated from Ireland (9m) than the peak, pre-famine population (8.5m). And when you add in all the descendants of those migrants that 9m is now probably over 100m, compared to around 5m in Ireland now.

But the similarity is that they both turned to bombing and murdering to get their own way. You should have more in common with the Jews, who fought against an occupying power to get a homeland.
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Fucking hell,the Jews can fight for a homeland but the Palestinians can't. That's you in a nutshell.
If the Irish hadn't fought a guerilla war against a vastly superior force we'd still be under the British yoke. Surely you can understand a people fighting for their homeland.
 
Shadz69 said:
Fucking hell,the Jews can fight for a homeland but the Palestinians can't. That's you in a nutshell.
If the Irish hadn't fought a guerilla war against a vastly superior force we'd still be under the British yoke. Surely you can understand a people fighting for their homeland.
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Not really a war, in wars the warring factions usually meet each other face to face but terrorists (or the “guerillas” you mention) are too cowardly for that shit…
 
Shadz69 said:
Fucking hell,the Jews can fight for a homeland but the Palestinians can't. That's you in a nutshell.
If the Irish hadn't fought a guerilla war against a vastly superior force we'd still be under the British yoke. Surely you can understand a people fighting for their homeland.
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They were offered a homeland in 1948. They turned it down, while the Jews accepted.

They've turned down every opportunity for one since. They've never recognised Israel's right to exist. They've had control of Gaza for 18 years, and instead of looking after the people there and doing their best to make something of it, they've dug tunnels, amassed arms and flung rockets at Israel. They're more interested in killing Jews than building a state of their own.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
They were offered a homeland in 1948. They turned it down, while the Jews accepted.

They've turned down every opportunity for one since. They've never recognised Israel's right to exist. They've had control of Gaza for 18 years, and instead of looking after the people there and doing their best to make something of it, they've dug tunnels, amassed arms and flung rockets at Israel. They're more interested in killing Jews than building a state of their own.
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Here we go again. Too generic.


The Arabs did not flat out turn it down. Don’t only refer to mainstream internet information. Read the Jewish and Arab library archives that are reviewed documents including records of Jewish literati.

The Arabs turned down the Partition Plan for several requests not accepted by UNSCOP to address to UN:

1. British presence must remain to manage finance and military of both partition. This was the request of BOTH the Arab states AND the British in Palestine. Without British presence, the Arab states had to protect the Arabs in Palestine, knowing obviously well that Zionist hostilities of Irgun, Palmach, Lehi and even part of Haganah were rampant.

2. Illegal Jewish immigrants must be deported, wherein immigration to be conducted muts be by legal means. The main reason being that Irgun, Palmach, Lehi are mainly illegal immigrants, and that illegal carry of goods also included ship container loads of machine guns and munitions that were far superior than could be defended by Palestine towns and villages.

3. Not to avail to the Zionist representative of which there were two main sects. The Arabs predicted of the objective of Israel statehood, (A) The Ben Gurion sect accepted the Partition with the eventual militarisation of Israel that gradually expanded the Israel State beyond the Partition, (B) The Irgun Menachem Begin sect demanded instantaneous expansion of the Israel State. In general, both sect A and B aspired a Greater Israel. Sect A being politico militaristic and Sect B being colonialistic.

4. The Partition must be reconsidered given that Palestinians have 1.1 million and Jews have 650,000 each respectively were given 42.88% for Arabs and 56.47% for Israel (the remaining being International partition). By population ratio the Arabs requested 66% for Arabs and 33% for Israel. It was considered and accepted by both Israel and Arabs as agreement to be declared and signed. but then, without informing the Arab states, a week before the declaration, the approved that were signed by Israel and British Mandate and overseen by the UN was the 42.88%-56.47% version. WITHOUT including the Arab states.

For #3 on the Partition Plan, the Arabs’ prediction of Zionist expanding Israel beyond the Partition Plan indeed became true.

Refer to the UN Partition Plan then:

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Is the Partition above reflective of the partition currently? Obviously not.

And refer to the current Palestine Partition impacted by the Zionist movement after the Partition Plan was enacted:
Interactive Map of Israel and Palestine

Go to each and all of the towns and villages. Beersheba, Majdal, Tantura, Deir Yassin. Read each one.

Indeed,
The Arabs were already against the Partition Plan, but did not entirely reject it. They proposed amendments. The concession is that they preferred non-militaristic governance compared to the militaristic approach by the Zionist Israel because the Arabs were aware of the Zionist greater objective and use of appeasement and espionage tactics.
 
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