North Stand Development: Have your say

I filled it in. But why has the club not e mailed all supporters in the family stand to ask their views? They are the ones most likely to be affected by the new development.

Until the club have made their final decisions on everything that affects every aspect of the new North stand, there is no point in the club contacting the fans.

The club is probably waiting on the fan questionnaire and the final meeting with the fan representatives before making their final decisions on the North stand. Once those final decisions have been made the club will probably present those final decisions to the fans, and maybe then the club might seek feedback from the fans, or maybe the club won’t?
 
Done.
In my comments at the end I stressed having a very long relocation period for ST holders as seat swapping will get very messy. I also mentioned ditching the hospitality area as this wrecks the atmosphere (see the middle of L2 in the south stand) and also keep the prices reasonable.
Unfortunately the club has never listened to comments about inappropriate hospitality areas or ticket pricing in the past.
 
I filled it in. But why has the club not e mailed all supporters in the family stand to ask their views? They are the ones most likely to be affected by the new development.
Probably the same reason they didn't email those displaced by the Tunnel Club or those displaced (priced out) when they created Joe's and 93:20. - They don't actually care.
 
I filled it in. But why has the club not e mailed all supporters in the family stand to ask their views? They are the ones most likely to be affected by the new development.
The club have done a range of things:

- Drop in centre at the stadium where fans could leave feedback
- I think they did some survey to all fans for their views on NS development
- Small scale Q&As with sample groups

We (1894) think the club should consult every season card holder in the NS to get their views (hence question 17 in the survey).

As part of this survey, we can filter the results down to season card holders in the North Stand and present their views vs the wider fanbase.

This is the biggest opportunity we will ever have to improve the atmosphere, so it is right that fans everywhere can have their say, too, though. My personal opinion is that someone's match day experience can be improved over time (if the development affects them). If we miss this opportunity to improve the atmosphere, we won't get a second chance.
 
Done.
In my comments at the end I stressed having a very long relocation period for ST holders as seat swapping will get very messy. I also mentioned ditching the hospitality area as this wrecks the atmosphere (see the middle of L2 in the south stand) and also keep the prices reasonable.
Unfortunately the club has never listened to comments about inappropriate hospitality areas or ticket pricing in the past.
Great points. They are reflected by the majority of fans who've filled in the survey.

I understand your concerns about whether the club will listen, or not. They have invited 1894/OSC/CM to the table though, so that's promising. Let's see what they do.
 
Probably the same reason they didn't email those displaced by the Tunnel Club or those displaced (priced out) when they created Joe's and 93:20. - They don't actually care.
Is there any more hospitality planned for East level 2 at the North Stand End like Joe's and 93:20, feel we've only 2 seasons left and all level 2 will become hospitality especially after seeing what the prices for Kits Bar are
 
Is there any more hospitality planned for East level 2 at the North Stand End like Joe's and 93:20, feel we've only 2 seasons left and all level 2 will become hospitality especially after seeing what the prices for Kits Bar are
The club can't (or won't) accept the simple concept that a hospitality gap on any level separates potential singing areas and dampens the atmosphere. The gap containing away fans doesn't dampen the atmosphere as fans on both sides of the away fans are usually indulging in a bit of banter (or bantz if you are a semi-literate fuckwit).
Your fears may be well-founded if the club are convinced the new North Stand will be a hotbed of noise, but I get the feeling that many of City's more enthusiastic fans will prefer to be close to the away fans unless the club price them out. ST and match-day pricing will be crucial if we are to benefit from potential new fans.
 
Until the club have made their final decisions on everything that affects every aspect of the new North stand, there is no point in the club contacting the fans.

The club is probably waiting on the fan questionnaire and the final meeting with the fan representatives before making their final decisions on the North stand. Once those final decisions have been made the club will probably present those final decisions to the fans, and maybe then the club might seek feedback from the fans, or maybe the club won’t?

At this stage it will be fait acompli. much the same as the ‘consultations’ with regards to the badge change. make the design and work backwards.
 
Done.
In my comments at the end I stressed having a very long relocation period for ST holders as seat swapping will get very messy. I also mentioned ditching the hospitality area as this wrecks the atmosphere (see the middle of L2 in the south stand) and also keep the prices reasonable.
Unfortunately the club has never listened to comments about inappropriate hospitality areas or ticket pricing in the past.
£5 a ticket suit you sir ?
 
Done.

In my comments, I stated firmly that the atmosphere-improving aim of the North Stand development is the biggest single factor, for me as a fan. The club has got to get it right this time. (By the way, atmosphere is a problem at many, many grounds, and you've only got to look round other club forums to find, very quickly, a thread on improving atmosphere. Atmosphere can be improved, but I believe — and have always said — that what we're looking at here is a sea change in society and the way it approaches leisure, a sea change which has arrived slowly but surely over many years, and above all the whole generation growing up — two generations really, now — who live the world through a screen — even, subconsciously, transferring that over to the match day experience. This is something very deep, and it will take decades before we fully grasp the implications of it. That's my firm conviction).
But as a South Stander who sits very close to the hospitality block, I also pointed out that the hospitality block should not be situated slap bang in the middle of singing blocks, as it is in the SS. It intensely winds up people around me when people in the hospitality block — supposedly neutral — get up and vociferously cheer an opposition goal (funnily enough, never more so than when it's an LFC goal! People start frothing at the mouth!). And let's be realistic, opposition supporters are always going to get hold of tickets in hospitality, here and there, by hook or by crook. You just know it can't be eliminated.
Just as bad, though, probably worse, is the way the hospitality block acts as a passive, dragging anchor, an inert “dead” presence, on any attempt to get the whole level singing. They leave en masse five minutes before the half-time whistle, and they don't come back until up to ten minutes after the start of the second half. I kid you not, and I could take photos to prove it.
I don't think realistically the club are going to eliminate hospitality seats from the new development. 1894 and other groups can ask for it till they're blue in the face. I just don't. It's business, and it's big business, and — like it or not — that is partly what City are, these days. But I do strongly suggest that a hospitality block should be placed off to one side, either left or right (probably to the Colin Bell side, since they don't sing anyway… JJ any offended CB fans).
Would I relocate from the South to the North. I'm honestly not sure. I've grown very fond of that seat. I also don't have a bunch of whingeing bellends around me — I have a bunch of good lads, who tolerate my presence humorously, and that counts.
What I'd really like to see, though, is the North Stand serenading the South Stand in those hypercharged matches (and you know what they are). And vice versa.
 
£5 a ticket suit you sir ?
It would be nice; £5 for FOCs like me and a tenner for the rest.
A few years before the £30 away tickets were a thing in the Prem some club (possibly Arsenal) tried to charge us about £60 for a game. That must have been around ten years ago and I still think it's too much for a single league game, yet City are asking that price in areas not considered top seats in the ground.
 
Done.

In my comments, I stated firmly that the atmosphere-improving aim of the North Stand development is the biggest single factor, for me as a fan. The club has got to get it right this time. (By the way, atmosphere is a problem at many, many grounds, and you've only got to look round other club forums to find, very quickly, a thread on improving atmosphere. Atmosphere can be improved, but I believe — and have always said — that what we're looking at here is a sea change in society and the way it approaches leisure, a sea change which has arrived slowly but surely over many years, and above all the whole generation growing up — two generations really, now — who live the world through a screen — even, subconsciously, transferring that over to the match day experience. This is something very deep, and it will take decades before we fully grasp the implications of it. That's my firm conviction).
But as a South Stander who sits very close to the hospitality block, I also pointed out that the hospitality block should not be situated slap bang in the middle of singing blocks, as it is in the SS. It intensely winds up people around me when people in the hospitality block — supposedly neutral — get up and vociferously cheer an opposition goal (funnily enough, never more so than when it's an LFC goal! People start frothing at the mouth!). And let's be realistic, opposition supporters are always going to get hold of tickets in hospitality, here and there, by hook or by crook. You just know it can't be eliminated.
Just as bad, though, probably worse, is the way the hospitality block acts as a passive, dragging anchor, an inert “dead” presence, on any attempt to get the whole level singing. They leave en masse five minutes before the half-time whistle, and they don't come back until up to ten minutes after the start of the second half. I kid you not, and I could take photos to prove it.
I don't think realistically the club are going to eliminate hospitality seats from the new development. 1894 and other groups can ask for it till they're blue in the face. I just don't. It's business, and it's big business, and — like it or not — that is partly what City are, these days. But I do strongly suggest that a hospitality block should be placed off to one side, either left or right (probably to the Colin Bell side, since they don't sing anyway… JJ any offended CB fans).
Would I relocate from the South to the North. I'm honestly not sure. I've grown very fond of that seat. I also don't have a bunch of whingeing bellends around me — I have a bunch of good lads, who tolerate my presence humorously, and that counts.
What I'd really like to see, though, is the North Stand serenading the South Stand in those hypercharged matches (and you know what they are). And vice versa.
Great Post mate
 
It would be nice; £5 for FOCs like me and a tenner for the rest.
A few years before the £30 away tickets were a thing in the Prem some club (possibly Arsenal) tried to charge us about £60 for a game. That must have been around ten years ago and I still think it's too much for a single league game, yet City are asking that price in areas not considered top seats in the ground.
You're living in cloud cuckoo land, we're watching one of the best teams in history and you want cheap tickets ? How did you go on when we were shit ffs ???
 
It would be nice; £5 for FOCs like me and a tenner for the rest.
A few years before the £30 away tickets were a thing in the Prem some club (possibly Arsenal) tried to charge us about £60 for a game. That must have been around ten years ago and I still think it's too much for a single league game, yet City are asking that price in areas not considered top seats in the ground.
So as a F.O.C are you not a pensioner with cheap tickets?
 

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