Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

 

[meeesh]

Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

We’ve never had a bad a run as this before though neither, the only saving grace here is that he’s signed to stay a couple more years, so your logic is fine and acceptable if he does it in that space of time, difference being here we are gonna have to ship out bigger (older) players and if he cries like he did when Sergio was leaving, I don’t want to see how his reaction will be when he has to say bye bye to 6 or 7 of them!

The way Aguero was treated by the way was nothing short of disgraceful but we’ve moved on since then, Pep has a bigger task on his hands now that’s for sure

 

[blueparrot]

I understand that, and I’m not looking for a knee jerk reaction neither, but in your own opinion where does that leave this season way things are?
I mean let’s be honest we don’t really want that Thursday night football, (wishful thinking) and not wanting to sound raggish, but if we finish out of the European places altogether where does that leave us in getting in decent recruitments in, it’s worrying as fuck and being calm is one thing but in reality it’s concerning now

Honestly I think we'll bring in one or two and finish top 4, if we don't and end up in the Europa, then so be it but highly unlikely. I don't think it's worth worrying what if, when it comes to recruitment.

 

[blueparrot]

I feel like this is an issue - City fans comparing this season to Pep's first season.

In 16/17, we didn't have the personnel to fully execute Pep's style but we were actually a very good side. We were the best team in terms of expected points and goals, we were exciting to watch.

This season isn't like that, we're genuinely a terrible team - our form over 12 games is the worst in Europe. This is alarmingly bad.

Yes we can look back at all of this in a year if our form improves to a semi respectable level but there's no way we're making it that far if this continues as is. No club can sit tight and have this continue.

I think we can and almost certain we will

 

[Lavinda Past]

Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

I haven't said he should be sacked, that's the Board's decision and I don't think they're either brave or stupid enough to risk it.

I think Pep needs to be (and probably already is) having a long look at his position. I'm not a doctor, but he clearly doesn't look or sound well. Frustration is clearly getting to him - Feyenoord being the most public display - and he seems to be beating himself up more psychologically every week this goes on.

For his own health, I personally think he needs a very long break from football.

 

[meeesh]

Honestly I think we'll bring in one or two and finish top 4, if we don't and end up in the Europa, then so be it but highly unlikely. I don't think it's worth worrying what if, when it comes to recruitment.

If we finish top 4 then recruitment will be ok I agree

 

[itisrising]

I think we can and almost certain we will

No club can, this is not bad/inconsistent form, this is the worst form in Europe. There's no example of it ever happening.

 

[Pell]

Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

For me, it feels a bit like the situation with Mourinho at Chelsea in 2015. Chelsea came in to season 15/16 as the defending Champions and Mourinho was regarded as being one of the best managers in the world, yet it all went sour in such a short space of time, with very little hint at the start of the season of what was going to happen. Mourinho never hit the heights he did after that title win in 14/15. It might be the same for Pep. Managers are just like players, they age, go through stress and fatigue, and if they've won everything like Mourinho and Pep, maybe feel they have nothing more to prove and don't feel a need to change things, but to stick to what they know best which brought them success. Managers peak and decline too. Look at Wenger, he never won the title again with Arsenal after the Invincibles season. Clough at Forest. Consider two of Pep's managerial mentors; Cruyff and Bielsa. Cruyff didn't stay in management for very long and quit while he was ahead. Bielsa doesn't stay at any club for long, and his Leeds team declined pretty dramatically after he did so well for them. I'm not saying the same thing will happen with Pep, but he's been in management for nearly 20 years now. That is a lot, and it's also top level management as well, not managing in the Championship or fairly obscure leagues. When he said he'll never manage another club after City, it means he's near the end of this intense top level managing.

 

[blueparrot]

No club can, this is not bad/inconsistent form, this is the worst form in Europe. There's no example of it ever happening.

Wouldn't know about other clubs. I think I know ours pretty well though and I'd be pretty confident Pep will stay in charge and we'll be back to our best next season and beyond.I find very hard to see why others can't look at those in charge and their acheivments ,history and think otherwise,or anything different would happen..

 

[itisrising]

Wouldn't know about other clubs. I think I know ours pretty well though and I'd be pretty confident Pep will stay in charge and we'll be back to our best next season and beyond.I find very hard to see why others can't look at those in charge and their acheivments ,history and think otherwise,or anything different would happen..

Because they've shown over the past couple of years they're anything but infallible. Our recruitment has been objectively poor and we've sold off an academy that would've set us up for a dynasty.

I don't think the club will "sack" Pep, but all parties will know that this level of form cannot continue for many more months - there has to be some pressure on Pep to turn this around to a respectable level and pressure on the club to make the right signings.