Busmo Funbag
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The way we are playing at the moment I'd suck Pep off if he asked me so just not booing the anthem when he asks isn't a problem.
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Pep: 'The players deserve a full stadium, we need our fans!'
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mancity dan
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Everyone drowning it out by shouting City, or singing Blue Moon etc is great for the team & all the fans can get together on it.
Instead, there could be a small number of people booing it, drowned out by the music, because most of the rest have stopped.
If we all get together on supporting the club, it will be louder than the booing & nobody will hear the anthem at all.
This ^^^
waterfootblues
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That's pretty much a perfect solution. Great idea.
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Neville Kneville
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That's pretty much a perfect solution. Great idea.
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Not my idea, others suggested it earlier, but imo all of us shouting like fuck over their shitty jingle, in support of City, will get the atmosphere off to a huge roar when we kick off & give the players a real boost.
Protesting about the preferential treatment of big clubs in the game's governing body is a huge positive, and sets us apart from the crowd for the right reasons. Do we aspire to be a blue Manchester United, and take our place in the cosy cartel that we once railed against? Or do we stand for the possibility that if you stand by your club then one day you can live the dream that we're now living? We've made it. we're now a big club, so lets pull up the drawbridge and take our place in the elite? Every club needs a raison d'etre that is bigger than winning trophies, and fighting for a more egalitarian approach from the sports governing body should be ours. Remember City fans used to protest against UEFA and now they're part of the cartel they're happy to play along, is not a particularly healthy reputation to acquire.He knows exactly what he's talking about.
The booing is a demonstration against UEFA not the fans backing City. If the main concern at the start of the game, is people protesting about the governing body rather than backing the team, it's a negative attitude, not a positive one.
He wants positive, not negative. He wants to attract people to the games, to support the team, not give them a good reason to stay away. He wants to win the competition.
Why can't all of us support City during the anthem & drown it out that way, rather than booing it ?
Or is it now a demonstration against Pep & the club ?
Curious how this thread has morphed.
I thought the main thrust of Pep's comments were to do with attendance and some posters brought up the associated issues to do with people fucking off crazily early - yes some have genuine reasons.
But - I am only at Page 57 so things might change - it all now seems to be about whether we should continue or stop booing the UeFA anthem - surely that was the minor point of Pep's comments?
FWIW I think people should stop or continue the booing based on their personal choice - we do not need to have consensus - what is worth talking about (IMO) is the issue of why people cannot see the game out (IMO - not all by any means have a genuine reason)
I thought the main thrust of Pep's comments were to do with attendance and some posters brought up the associated issues to do with people fucking off crazily early - yes some have genuine reasons.
But - I am only at Page 57 so things might change - it all now seems to be about whether we should continue or stop booing the UeFA anthem - surely that was the minor point of Pep's comments?
FWIW I think people should stop or continue the booing based on their personal choice - we do not need to have consensus - what is worth talking about (IMO) is the issue of why people cannot see the game out (IMO - not all by any means have a genuine reason)
Dribble
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How is our booing helping UEFA?I agree with your frustrations totally however:
Booing NOW is helping UEFA
There is no impending FFP court defeat it was thrown out on a technicality 12 months ago. That's not to say it won't be challenged again.
What was thrown out on a technicality, FFP or the court challenge to it? As I understand it:
'All the court did was say the local Belgian court can't unilaterally lift the cumulative loss threshold compression. The EU SC wants to hear the case in toto for itself. UEFA can chatter away about the lawmaking entities that support FFP, but no court has passed judgement on it yet.'
'The Belgian court has essentially attempted to impose a remedy on a court above and is thus acting ultra vires. In any event, the ECJ will doubtless have decided that it needs to consider all the evidence before the final determination is made and then consider, if FFP effectively 'loses', what the appropriate remedy should be.
In plain English: The Belgium court can't tell the EU court what the punishment is before the EU court has made a decision after hearing both sides of the story.'
And this is the determination of a guy from Lancaster Uni who teaches EU law. https://twitter.com/AngusMacCul.../status/623870659265961984
G14/UEFA are crooks & liars & after the shady way they changed the FFP rules to ensure that instead of City being £3m inside FFP, that we ended up £3m outside it thus incurring a FIFTY MILLION POUND FINE, we should all know this as fact by now.......
You deal with the facts how you see fit mate, but for me I will continue to boo the fuck out of them....
Cobwebcat
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Everyone drowning it out by shouting City, or singing Blue Moon etc is great for the team & all the fans can get together on it.
Instead, there could be a small number of people booing it, drowned out by the music, because most of the rest have stopped.
If we all get together on supporting the club, it will be louder than the booing & nobody will hear the anthem at all.
That's a good point too and one made by a few posters.
I really don't get the point that the supporters are right to boo because Pep won't be here when we still are.
I'd like to think that it's finally time to stop patting ourselves on the back for past loyalty (which was incredible) and start to look forward more. The entitlement culture within our fan base is too great at city now.
The new owners have done a Lot to improve the club and the team and, I know it's difficult, but it might be time to think what we can do for City again rather than what else City can do for us.
Neville Kneville
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Protesting about the preferential treatment of big clubs in the game's governing body is a huge positive, and sets us apart from the crowd for the right reasons. Do we aspire to be a blue Manchester United, and take our place in the cosy cartel that we once railed against? Or do we stand for the possibility that if you stand by your club then one day you can live the dream that we're now living? We've made it. we're now a big club, so lets pull up the drawbridge and take our place in the elite? Every club needs a raison d'etre that is bigger than winning trophies, and fighting for a more egalitarian approach from the sports governing body should be ours. Remember City fans used to protest against UEFA and now they're part of the cartel they're happy to play along, is not a particularly healthy reputation to acquire.
Well unfortunately you & I have made fuck all difference by doing that & it's actually got worse at UEFA & the club is asking us to pack it in.
So if we drown it out by shouting City instead, it does both jobs.
But that's not what people are saying, they are suggesting drowning out the anthem with a positive chant supporting the team rather than negative booing. The message to UEFA is the same.Protesting about the preferential treatment of big clubs in the game's governing body is a huge positive, and sets us apart from the crowd for the right reasons. Do we aspire to be a blue Manchester United, and take our place in the cosy cartel that we once railed against? Or do we stand for the possibility that if you stand by your club then one day you can live the dream that we're now living? We've made it. we're now a big club, so lets pull up the drawbridge and take our place in the elite? Every club needs a raison d'etre that is bigger than winning trophies, and fighting for a more egalitarian approach from the sports governing body should be ours. Remember City fans used to protest against UEFA and now they're part of the cartel they're happy to play along, is not a particularly healthy reputation to acquire.
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Completely agree Nev.He knows exactly what he's talking about.
The booing is a demonstration against UEFA not the fans backing City. If the main concern at the start of the game, is people protesting about the governing body rather than backing the team, it's a negative attitude, not a positive one.
He wants positive, not negative. He wants to attract people to the games, to support the team, not give them a good reason to stay away. He wants to win the competition.
Why can't all of us support City during the anthem & drown it out that way, rather than booing it ?
Or is it now a demonstration against Pep & the club ?
We have the best Manager in the world, who is leading a revolution both on and of the field. Any Manager who is leading change, in whatever field of endeavour, is going to upset a few along the way. I don't think there is any fan that would disagree with the sentiment that the players deserve a full stadium. In fact playing this amazing football by itself should be sufficient to pack out the stadium for ever game. I also don't think that there is a City fan that would disagree with the sentiment that City has plenty of reasons for being cheesed off with that corrupt body.
Having said that, I see Pep as a genius in his field. His attention to detail is second to none. He is like the conductor of an orchestra. If there is even the slightest discordant note in the orchestra, then he will stop and correct it. Pep works tirelessly 7 days a week to produce this beautiful football that we are witnessing every week. Surely it's not too much for the boo boys to have regard to what Pep wants. If he thinks that there is negative energy in the booing, and that it might have even the slightest impact on the mentality of our players, then he will want it to stop.
I think our part of the revolution is to do what Pep asks. There are other ways of sending a message to that corrupt body. As others have said why not drown it out with a positive song?
This is not about fawning to Pep. It's about doing what is in the best interests of the team. If he thinks that this is what is needed, then I strongly believe we need to heed that message. We are going to take over the football world with Pep as our leader. It's time now to stop the booing and put the team first.
Cobwebcat
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How is our booing helping UEFA?
What was thrown out on a technicality, FFP or the court challenge to it? As I understand it:
'All the court did was say the local Belgian court can't unilaterally lift the cumulative loss threshold compression. The EU SC wants to hear the case in toto for itself. UEFA can chatter away about the lawmaking entities that support FFP, but no court has passed judgement on it yet.'
'The Belgian court has essentially attempted to impose a remedy on a court above and is thus acting ultra vires. In any event, the ECJ will doubtless have decided that it needs to consider all the evidence before the final determination is made and then consider, if FFP effectively 'loses', what the appropriate remedy should be.
In plain English: The Belgium court can't tell the EU court what the punishment is before the EU court has made a decision after hearing both sides of the story.'
And this is the determination of a guy from Lancaster Uni who teaches EU law. https://twitter.com/AngusMacCul.../status/623870659265961984
G14/UEFA are crooks & liars & after the shady way they changed the FFP rules to ensure that instead of City being £3m inside FFP, that we ended up £3m outside it thus incurring a FIFTY MILLION POUND FINE, we should all know this as fact by now.......
You deal with the facts how you see fit mate, but for me I will continue to boo the fuck out of them....
I hope you are right but the latest I heard was this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/22/eu-supreme-court-rejects-ffp-challenge-uefa
Are you saying this is wrong or outdated or both? I would be very happy to be wrong.
Dribble
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But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?Short sightedness creeping in. No, Pep's not the messiah and yes he's not going to be around forever. However, it's hard to see how any of the changes are going to last if he's purely being written off as just another manager. Maybe he was just that for Bayern but we are not Bayern. A large part of what he's trying to instill is a big club mentality. Keyword there is mentality. Personally, I don't feel like that can be achieved whilst we retain what frankly can and will be perceived as a victim complex with regards to a preferential treatment of the "elite clubs".
Whereas there is indisputable evidence of UEFA's system of justice being cack handed and costing us dearly, we are already a very, very big club. What's stopping us from accepting we are in the elite bracket? Mentality.
Who knows? Maybe we don't want that kind of mindset; I know that one of the reasons I and many others chose to follow City was because of our underdog status and that will forever be an intrinsic part of the DNA My club. But, if in five years we still aren't putting ourselves in that elite bracket, it won't be because of UEFA, it certainly won't be because of Pep, it will be because we haven't let our past go.
We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.
If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......
The poznan and rendition of city would look and sound pretty good. The protest would therefore continue.
We can be openly aggressive, ie boo, or sarcastic Blues ie chant etc. Either send the same message but the second additionally pumps up the players.
We can be openly aggressive, ie boo, or sarcastic Blues ie chant etc. Either send the same message but the second additionally pumps up the players.
Neville Kneville
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If enough of us get together and sing, or as someone suggested earlier, just shout 'City, City' over their anthem of corruption they won't hear the anthem & they won't hear the boo boys either, so it's upto us.
Haha, just me and you it is then ;)But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?
We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.
If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......
We
UEFA can't do us any harm anymore, we are too big.
We had to deal with shit on our own and so other clubs will have to deal with it themselves. There is no way we could end this tomorrow. Never.But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?
We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.
If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......
UEFA can't do us any harm anymore, we are too big.
Cobwebcat
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But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?
We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.
If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......
Everyone agrees with you on this its just that booing the anthem has run its course and we need to adapt to both supporting City and not letting UEFAs dealings go unnoticed though Martin Samuel is doing an excellent job of bringing this to light
Neville Kneville
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But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?
We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.
If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......
Tbh, the next Manchester City over here, whoever it may be, has stabbed us in the back & helped Utd etc stay competitive, so they can fuck off imo.
But a perfectly good protest v UEFA is to shout City over it & it will make much more noise.
If Pep isn't happy with that, then he can fuck off as well. I think he'd be very happy with it & so would the players.