Pep's tactics

[Hungarian blue]

Showing your age there pal! It's as if Guardiola's been watching old videos of the Mighty Magyars

Zakarias is so underrated!

 

[Vic]

What if Pep's done a Clarkie and Stoke have been working on countering a system and we'll do something else tomorrow? (Start with Plan B!)

 

[The Richard Wright Fan Club]

It doesn't matter what tactics Pep puts out, we ain't good enough according to PeterTheRed.
[QUOTE
Quote from: PeterTheRed on August 3, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
GK: Hart, Caballero

Hart is nowhere near good enough. He's prone to mishaps just like Mignolet, in fact their fans treat him with as much disdain as we do with the Belgian.

FB: Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Zabaleta

All over 30, with the exception of Clichy, have lost more than a yard of pace due to either age or injuries. All in need of replacement, but none forthcoming this season. I like Kolarov, but even he's come in for criticism. Unless if Man City decides to sit deep this year, none of them are capable of playing a high line without major risks. Vardy would have a field day.

CD: Kompany, Otamendi, Stones (?), Mangala, Denayer

Kompany, like Gundogan, has chronic injuries. Otamendi is a good CB, but yet to still find his feet in the PL consistently. Mangala was terrible last season, Denayer has been out on loan most of the time, hasn't even had regular PL time yet. Stones? Who knows. He fits the Guardiola profile for a ball playing CB, and I do like his potential. But he is nowhere good enough yet for PL competition, nevermind Europe.

CM: Fernandinho, Gundogan, Fernando, Toure, Delph

Again, old and in need of replacement. Yaya's a basketcase now, at 33, he's nowhere near mobile enough. Fernandinho and Fernando are inconsistent at best, can be good, but also have terrible nights, usually as a pair. There's even talk now of converting Fernandinho to a CB now. Gundogan is a great controller, but as I said before, you're rolling dice as to when he'll be injured again. Delph? Right.
AM: Silva, De Bruyne, Nolito, Nasri, Sane, Navas, Sterling, Zinchenko
ST: Aguero, Bony, Iheanacho

Possibly the strongest attack on paper in the Preimer League. But you can only put out a maximum of four of them at once.
They are a bit heavy in attacking midfield, something they will resolve by offloading Nasri/Navas. Apart from that, deep and well balanced team.

Yes, balanced as in many of them need to be replaced. ][/QUOTE]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=274792.14280

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

If they do push wingers high up against our full backs that is fine as it leaves more space in the midfield. My understanding is that Pep is all about creating numerical superiority in places on the pitch, it is why the goalkeeper has to pay like an outfield player.

The point I am making is that whatever system we use in a game will be about giving us numerical superiority in the midfield and creating overloads against their defenders. When your philosophy (feel dirty using this word after Van Gaal and United's overuse of it) is so fluid it does make it hard to stop!

 

[franksinatra]

If they do push wingers high up against our full backs that is fine as it leaves more space in the midfield. My understanding is that Pep is all about creating numerical superiority in places on the pitch, it is why the goalkeeper has to pay like an outfield player.

The point I am making is that whatever system we use in a game will be about giving us numerical superiority in the midfield and creating overloads against their defenders. When your philosophy (feel dirty using this word after Van Gaal and United's overuse of it) is so fluid it does make it hard to stop!

That is exactly it and why the goalkeeper position is so important.

If they push players onto our defenders a midfielder will just slot in there and the keeper will act as an additional option . Like you say superiority in numbers across the field.

The parking of the bus will be more of an issue as the temptation will be to return to side to side passes. That is when the fullbacks even centre halfs will need to push on, brave in posession and be integral to the build up play.

 

[baggy]

What if Pep's done a Clarkie and Stoke have been working on countering a system and we'll do something else tomorrow? (Start with Plan B!)

I think Pep is the master of the reverse-Clarkie.

 

[malg]

It doesn't matter what tactics Pep puts out, we ain't good enough according to PeterTheRed.
[QUOTE
Quote from: PeterTheRed on August 3, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
GK: Hart, Caballero

Hart is nowhere near good enough. He's prone to mishaps just like Mignolet, in fact their fans treat him with as much disdain as we do with the Belgian.

FB: Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Zabaleta

All over 30, with the exception of Clichy, have lost more than a yard of pace due to either age or injuries. All in need of replacement, but none forthcoming this season. I like Kolarov, but even he's come in for criticism. Unless if Man City decides to sit deep this year, none of them are capable of playing a high line without major risks. Vardy would have a field day.

CD: Kompany, Otamendi, Stones (?), Mangala, Denayer

Kompany, like Gundogan, has chronic injuries. Otamendi is a good CB, but yet to still find his feet in the PL consistently. Mangala was terrible last season, Denayer has been out on loan most of the time, hasn't even had regular PL time yet. Stones? Who knows. He fits the Guardiola profile for a ball playing CB, and I do like his potential. But he is nowhere good enough yet for PL competition, nevermind Europe.

CM: Fernandinho, Gundogan, Fernando, Toure, Delph

Again, old and in need of replacement. Yaya's a basketcase now, at 33, he's nowhere near mobile enough. Fernandinho and Fernando are inconsistent at best, can be good, but also have terrible nights, usually as a pair. There's even talk now of converting Fernandinho to a CB now. Gundogan is a great controller, but as I said before, you're rolling dice as to when he'll be injured again. Delph? Right.
AM: Silva, De Bruyne, Nolito, Nasri, Sane, Navas, Sterling, Zinchenko
ST: Aguero, Bony, Iheanacho

Possibly the strongest attack on paper in the Preimer League. But you can only put out a maximum of four of them at once.
They are a bit heavy in attacking midfield, something they will resolve by offloading Nasri/Navas. Apart from that, deep and well balanced team.

Yes, balanced as in many of them need to be replaced. ]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=274792.14280[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of posters on here who would be agreeng with a lot of that.

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

That is exactly it and why the goalkeeper position is so important.

If they push players onto our defenders a midfielder will just slot in there and the keeper will act as an additional option . Like you say superiority in numbers across the field.

The parking of the bus will be more of an issue as the temptation will be to return to side to side passes. That is when the fullbacks even centre halfs will need to push on, brave in posession and be integral to the build up play.

Hopefully all of the drilling in training around which position players should be in at what times will stick and we will play the ball quickly from left to right to beat to bus parking. Really looking forward to what is done against Stoke and how Pep aims to neutralise their threat!

 

[franksinatra]

Hopefully all of the drilling in training around which position players should be in at what times will stick and we will play the ball quickly from left to right to beat to bus parking. Really looking forward to what is done against Stoke and how Pep aims to neutralise their threat!

Its a great test for us tomorrow. They are usually pretty organised but being at home and with the likes of Arnautovic, Shaquiri will be a threat going forward also. Those players will try and expose the space behind the fullbacks so we will see how the formation copes with that

 

[Deleted member 58678]

What if Pep's done a Clarkie and Stoke have been working on countering a system and we'll do something else tomorrow? (Start with Plan B!)

Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

It doesn't matter what tactics Pep puts out, we ain't good enough according to PeterTheRed.
[QUOTE
Quote from: PeterTheRed on August 3, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
GK: Hart, Caballero

Hart is nowhere near good enough. He's prone to mishaps just like Mignolet, in fact their fans treat him with as much disdain as we do with the Belgian.

FB: Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Zabaleta

All over 30, with the exception of Clichy, have lost more than a yard of pace due to either age or injuries. All in need of replacement, but none forthcoming this season. I like Kolarov, but even he's come in for criticism. Unless if Man City decides to sit deep this year, none of them are capable of playing a high line without major risks. Vardy would have a field day.

CD: Kompany, Otamendi, Stones (?), Mangala, Denayer

Kompany, like Gundogan, has chronic injuries. Otamendi is a good CB, but yet to still find his feet in the PL consistently. Mangala was terrible last season, Denayer has been out on loan most of the time, hasn't even had regular PL time yet. Stones? Who knows. He fits the Guardiola profile for a ball playing CB, and I do like his potential. But he is nowhere good enough yet for PL competition, nevermind Europe.

CM: Fernandinho, Gundogan, Fernando, Toure, Delph

Again, old and in need of replacement. Yaya's a basketcase now, at 33, he's nowhere near mobile enough. Fernandinho and Fernando are inconsistent at best, can be good, but also have terrible nights, usually as a pair. There's even talk now of converting Fernandinho to a CB now. Gundogan is a great controller, but as I said before, you're rolling dice as to when he'll be injured again. Delph? Right.
AM: Silva, De Bruyne, Nolito, Nasri, Sane, Navas, Sterling, Zinchenko
ST: Aguero, Bony, Iheanacho

Possibly the strongest attack on paper in the Preimer League. But you can only put out a maximum of four of them at once.
They are a bit heavy in attacking midfield, something they will resolve by offloading Nasri/Navas. Apart from that, deep and well balanced team.

Yes, balanced as in many of them need to be replaced./QUOTE]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=274792.14280

All that and Jordan Henderson still wouldn't make our bench!

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

Its a great test for us tomorrow. They are usually pretty organised but being at home and with the likes of Arnautovic, Shaquiri will be a threat going forward also. Those players will try and expose the space behind the fullbacks so we will see how the formation copes with that

I am hoping that we are too far ahead after 20 minutes to worry, after those comments by Marc Wilson about their lack of defensive coaching... ;)

Seriously though I hope we can come through this test well. Listening to Pep's press conference gives me lots of confidence though. The way he was able to list their dangerous players and how they play shows how well prepared we will be. I have read all about the preparations he makes but nice to start seeing it with us!

I hope our posession of the ball prevents them from ever really getting comfortable with the ball. I also hope Willy has a fine game as not sure I could cope with the media gloating if he did anything wrong. The way they have spoken is as though he is not a professional goalkeeper!

Oh and I must say Frank I have enjoyed this tactical chat, always nice to speak to people interested in this side of football. The reason I regularly buy FM games as I want to try things or and the same reason I stop playing them after a couple of weeks as they are just not able to incorporate the complexities of real football.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Pep's tactics ?

I'd go for a simple 4-4-2. That's four mint at the back four orange in midfield, and two cherry up front.

Easy these tictacs! ; )

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Its a great test for us tomorrow. They are usually pretty organised but being at home and with the likes of Arnautovic, Shaquiri will be a threat going forward also. Those players will try and expose the space behind the fullbacks so we will see how the formation copes with that

I'm not sure Shaqiri will play. He's been injured and had no pre-season at all.

 

[Krieng_Thai OSC]

When they push wingers high up against our full backs and we still can manage to pass ball to our wing. It will be nightmare to their FB be one on one with Sterling or Sane.

 

[franksinatra]

I am hoping that we are too far ahead after 20 minutes to worry, after those comments by Marc Wilson about their lack of defensive coaching... ;)

Seriously though I hope we can come through this test well. Listening to Pep's press conference gives me lots of confidence though. The way he was able to list their dangerous players and how they play shows how well prepared we will be. I have read all about the preparations he makes but nice to start seeing it with us!

I hope our posession of the ball prevents them from ever really getting comfortable with the ball. I also hope Willy has a fine game as not sure I could cope with the media gloating if he did anything wrong. The way they have spoken is as though he is not a professional goalkeeper!

Oh and I must say Frank I have enjoyed this tactical chat, always nice to speak to people interested in this side of football. The reason I regularly buy FM games as I want to try things or and the same reason I stop playing them after a couple of weeks as they are just not able to incorporate the complexities of real football.

I think the system will work as long as we are proactive in counter pressing before the Stoke players have time to look up and the Stoke players take up positions in the space either side of our centre halves. Its more of a test of our players in the system rather than the system itself. For me the only weakness is if we do not press as a lack of pressure on the ball can allow the space to be expolited, this will be particularly of interest as the season develops and injuries, two games a week and tired legs kick in.

I think Pep has got a lot of people rethinking the game. For tactics the best website out there is Spielverlagerung, if you have not already found it.

 

[franksinatra]

I'm not sure Shaqiri will play. He's been injured and had no pre-season at all.

Eh? He scored on the opening day but is struggling with a calf injury

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

I think Pep has got a lot of people rethinking the game. For tactics the best website out there is Spielverlagerung, if you have not already found it.

Big fan of Spielverlagerung, and pleased that they will be offering far more analysis of us now we have Pep.

 

[Burtonblue]

Never mind his tactics, I am loving his approach and directness with the players.
Zero tolerance for unfit overweight players and complete focus on what he wants here and now.
Players know exactly where they stand now and can get off if they don't like it.
Power is all with the manager as it should be.
It's what we have been missing with Pellegrini; he was just too nice a guy.

 

[randomfan54]

City definitely need to get at least 1 fullback in. The current lot just aren't up to scratch. They've got a big role to play and a lot of the times they're going to be linking the midfield to the attack.

I'm guessing Fernandinho will end up at RB once Gundogan is fit, so a new LB at the very least would be great.

Aguero is the only goalscorer in the side right now. Nolito, although not great, needs to be starting regularly to provide that extra goalscoring threat. Especially when the tactics require the wingers to stay wide and get the ball into the box.