Peter Fletcher and stewards (merged)

[Skashion]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

I have done trainging as a legal advisor for my job, that in my opinion would be jumping the gun a little. The court like to see that you have tried to resolve this yourself in a reasonable manner. Jumping straight into a summons is a little premature, and not all that reasonable. Yet.

A letter with strict, but not unreasonable time constraints, asking for the full policy on smokers in the stadium. Then you should also request the transcript or paperwork that explains your case and the evidence they have against you.

If all is as you say and you did not get a right to put your case across, then that ist going to bode well for them later on. Also if they havent got a full written report with signed statements from staff, same again.

I have a feeling that the Smokers policy will not specify a full ban in the first instance. It will also highlight the fact they do not allow you any chance to plead your case. If you can get written statements from friends family, anyone reputable confiming you do not smoke, or a doctors note if thats at all possible.

Once you have completed those steps it will give you a better idea of what you are dealing with, and they have a duty to provide you with this information, although they could charge you for Admin costs. Thsi will then give you more credability in court, since you can demonstrate you tried to resolve this issue in a reasonable manner without involving the courts. (they love that) Whilst also highlighting their policy.

Just because the club have xxxxx written in their T&C's that can not over rule your statutory rights. And in this case you have been banned without any right to reply and plead your case.

Also if they have no eveidence other than one person saw you, then its your word against their's, remember they need to prove you where smoking, its not for you to prove you where not.

Im not a solicitor, but have had some legal training. From what i can gather thats the correct way to move forward, as i builds you case, whilst asking them to reconsider.

He has tried to resolve it without the courts. He offered to prove medically that he doesn't smoke in his first email and it was just ignored. He then sent a second very polite email. That should be more than enough. I'd be up in arms after the first email, believe me.

I'm not saying your advice is bad but I don't think it's the best in the current situation. As far as court goes, a summons is an effective statement that you're serious and you're not going to walk away and accept your ban when you've done nothing wrong and can prove it. It doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go to court. Most are settled before you get anywhere near court. If he sends the results of a cotinine test and signed witness statements to Fletcher and at the same time a summons arrives on the club's doorstep, I think they'd drop the ban there and then which is what the guy wants. It's presenting them with a choice. 1. Just drop it. 2. Drag it out in the legal system. The bloke just wants to see football for the rest of the season. If he's patient that will not happen and it'll all be for nothing bar minor damages plus costs if it actually gets as far as court. Fletcher is an intransigent twat and he's got to act if he wants to see out the rest of the season - including a potential FA Cup final.

 

[SamTheGuru]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

He is a rag:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-players/peter-fletcher.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-player ... tcher.html</a>

Simples!

 

[Blue Smarties]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

When we oust Fletcher can he take that presenter with him?

 

[BluePurgatory]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

Why not just send all copies of the e-males to Gary Cook and ask him to intervene? Fletcher is an employee and the fan in question is a customer, and a very loyal one at that. Reading some of the post the actions taken by Fletcher are unfair if what the lad has said is true. This is sending out a statement that even if you are innocent but Wrongly accused by any of the stewards you are still guilty. It also means that MCFC value the word of a steward before a loyal fan. The fact is the fan is a MCFC supporter where as a steward may not be and have a hidden agenda.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

clearly a case of being found guilty before you have the chance to prove your innocence

while he says its one persons word v anothers that surely works both ways, how can he 100% trust the steward and (with all due respect) he cant trust you at all - imagine all the people in the past who wil have claimed innocence.

George Davies? (One for the oldies there)

George was innocent! Gets out and then commits a different crime?<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:17 am --<br /><br />I stopped smoking over 30 years ago. Were I approached by stewards re identifying me as having been smoking in the toilets or spirals I would not give them 'their' season card (it might mean another match/season ban in Fletcher's guilty before innocent world) and were I ejected, I would write to MCFC demanding that I am presented with documented evidence as to 'proof' of me smoking. I would give them a reasonable time to respond and failing any positive response - I wouldn't want a meaningless apology from anyone - I would be down the solicitors.

Trouble is, the law can be a right prick at times but the way that some fans are treated by the some of the stewards, who seem to have the intelligence of snails, is nothing short of appalling.

 

[lordloverocket]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

About 6 or 7 of em had to be escorted to a safe area by about 15 coppers a few weeks ago(south stand) served them rite for bullying a lad who they thought was on his own, until his mates turned up.

the law is a load of bollocks, the club needs to find a solution for smoking areas and i dont even smoke anymore, odd wacky on a special occasion.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

,but the old adage speaks in volumes here "Once a Cop,Always a Cop"

I always thought it was "if you can't fight, Wear a daft hat"

 

[madmank]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

He is a rag:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-players/peter-fletcher.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-player ... tcher.html</a>

Simples!

first of all he aint a rag never has been never will be. he actually hates them as much as the next blue.(not that im defending him)

don't like the thread name as not all stewards are cunts. wouldn't say that about trigger would you.sorry to bring you into this trig.all stewards act on their own instincts 80% of the time the other 20 they are told what to do by the club officials from a radio. especially ejections.
when peter said in the email certain methods are put into place in order to catch the right person what this is (shouldn't really put this but) spotters.spotters take a seat in the stand and mingle in then at half time walk around the stadium and go to certain areas where smoking/drinking (tins)has said to be taken place.if he/she spots something then this info then gets past on to stewards who then act on it.

sad that for that 10 sec span you was spotted with the group that where having a cig in the toilet.you got singled out by the sound of it.(easy target)i for one don't believe you smoke because as smoker my self as you put it i don't smoke for a HOBBY nor addiction.no smoker smokes for a hobby. pleasure/addiction.yes.sounds like you do have a case.go straight down to the docs today and get a report saying you don't smoke then straight down to the club and pass this info on and tell them you need peter to see it asap as time is running out to get that semi ticket. good luck and hope it gets resolved in time for you to get a ticket.

 

[daveduke67]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

If you dont get your card back I have a spare junior season card that you can use for the last three home games if you want.

This is what makes me proud to be a Blue.

Nice gesture Kimbo ;-)

(does it come with Wembley ticket?)

 

[Longsight-memories]

Re: Peter Fletcher and stewards

Petition time ? Peter Fletcher MUST GO..
Your there to serve the club/fans..not work against them..