PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Citizen of Legoland]

Once City have been proved innocent can City demand that the pl look into other clubs accounts like in the Carmen Islands ?

Make themselves Bizet you mean?

 

[GXCity]

What gets me they just threw the points deduction in the ffp rules last year when clubs have struggled because of Covid inflation and the way the world is now!

Why didnt they initial bring in a point deduction in to the premier rules when they first brought it in? Also don't do it over 3 year monitoring period do it over 1 year and you can't lose more than 35m in your accounts and if you went over by 5m that's 1 points deduction! Now if you start with that low a point deduction and any club did go over it and they got deducted a point in the early years of ffp, clubs would of realise the premier was serious about ffp! Then they could made it worse for losing money 8f clubs kept losing money!

And you get an extra point for every £10m of profit....

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Harris’s Twitter goons are now trying to doxx people I see. Lovely.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

The media seems to be on full on rage porn for what the sanctions should be in relegation and titles stripped etc. They don’t seem to informing the great unwashed who read their articles that the Premier League have got a huge task to actually land the allegations against City. The time scales of nearly a decade of charges against us then the allegation that our owners, directors, management conspired with the likes of Etihad, Etisalat, Nike, Nexen Tire, Nissan, Silverlake, The Chinese Government, Delloite, Micheal Page Recruitment, Jaguar, Wix and whoever else were stake holders, sponsors or auditors during the time were all in on it and conspiring to cook the books. If they land it will be the biggest scandle in British Company in history it’s a big stretch to get there though.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The notion that the over simplistic “if Everton, then City” helps me separate the idiots from those who have looked at each case and seen they are distinctly different.

Anyone who says “if Everton got 10 points for £19M, City must get…..!” is simply unable to understand what is happening in front of their own eyes and should be duly dismissed out of hand.

The vast majority know very little about FFP and even less about our charges (or Everton's). Even if we were found "guilty" of all the charges, we're talking about probably £12.5m per year. I thought it was slightly more but Reuters estimated the image rights as £10m, whereas I thought it was around £17m. That's nowhere near enough to turn meeting the PL's FSR into failing them, as Everton did.

And none of our charges post-date 2018, so for the last five years, while we've won all these trophies under Pep, there's been no problem.

 

[spacecadet]

The media onslaught keeps coming on thick and fast because rags, dips and Arse are not winning leagues. They haven't been able to sell papers for getting on 20 years. The fucking click (that they thought would keep them afloat) cannot be properly monetised. So we're back to the rags, dips and Arse plasticos are not clicking on another rag loss, another Arse poor season or the dips having had one good season in the last 34 are they? So the only thing the said plasticos like, or will click on, is a big anti-City story, hence we get an avalanche on a daily basis. It was bothering me up until the weekend, but now I have decided to enjoy their deep fucking hurt. Bunch of fan boy fanny farts, ALL of them.

 

[Ducado]

Am I right in saying that the only thing that has brought this thread to life, is the Everton points deduction, and that nothing has changed with regards to the charges leveled against us?

And that no one actual knows about when any hearing is going to take place?

I understand that the Everton situation has sent some shockwaves throughout out fan base but it's been made clear the two situations are not comparable, with this in mind are we not going around in circles?

 

[KS55]

The notion that the over simplistic “if Everton, then City” helps me separate the idiots from those who have looked at each case and seen they are distinctly different.

Anyone who says “if Everton got 10 points for £19M, City must get…..!” is simply unable to understand what is happening in front of their own eyes and should be duly dismissed out of hand.

Consider this: if you confronted those who say ‘if Everton this, then City that’ with the question ‘which of City’s charges do you think will cause the punishment?’ they would be unable to answer. They don’t even know what the majority of the charges are; they just have a number such as ‘rule 7, 2015, 2016.’ and I bet they haven’t even looked it up.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

You wouldn't have thought so, but this is pretty much what UEFA did, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Never underestimate the stupidity of football administrators.

I know you're a bit dismissive of the idea, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there was a degree of coercion from other clubs, plus there is the looming threat of an independent regulator. These factors could easily have muddied the water for the PL, and resulted in them overreaching with their charges.

That's not to play down the seriousness of the case, and there is an awful lot at stakes for both sides. I don't think anyone at this stage can say with any degree of certainty what the outcome will be.

The point about coercion is key here. It was clear from the UEFA charges that certain clubs were stirring the pot. You could see the relationships at work in how leaks were disseminated to favoured journalists and how the mainstream media was used. Pep’s comments about Levy and others at his Presser and Khaldoon’s earlier comments make it clear we know there has been “interference”.
When these shady, secretive, “off the record” discussions take place, the usual safeguards of process and advisory checks are often by-passed. “Principals” agree a course of action between them without appreciating the full breadth of consequences that may follow. You can imagine Masters being persuaded to run with the charges on the basis that it’s then passed over to the panel who will then have to sort it out. Job done - because in the meantime City’s reputation can be trashed and the PL is shown to be policing the game. I suspect they’d not fully appreciated the magnitude of the charges and have made a really big mistake. Time will tell but I think nothing will be the same again. All conjecture of course but hard to think of another explanation.

 

[Paladin]

If united failed ffp under eufa rules and were fined, why aren't the PL looking at that as well? Not in a sarcastic way, but genuinely why aren't they? Were their losses not enough to fail PL ffp?

Nobody knows, because it was a minor breach.