PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[oldius]

Same as what I think. anything said by our owners will fall of deaf ears and turned into something more inflammatory probably. I think they've learnt just say nothing and let facts speak. Not sure its the best way and I do wish they would come out and show some opposition to this bullshit, but I think we've all experienced it, you say anything in our defence you will get laughed at. Pointless.

Absolutely. The press now quote Erling on 900k a week, 500k more than anyone else. It has become fact in the eyes of United and Liverpool fans because they know that his fee makes him an absolute bargain, so they find a way that comforts them that they cannot compete financially, despite all evidence. Any fact becomes a myth fuelled laugh about fake sponsors and under the counter payments. The CAS verdict is ONLY because we dragged it out until it was time barred. Heck, they even believe their Emptihad narrative despite attendance data.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The same nonces in the press that are making such a thing of the significance of the number of charges are the same cunts who will play up the significance of a single technical breach of the non-cooperation charge, whilst simultaneously ignoring the dismissal of the remaining charges that they presented as being so significant.

They will do whatever it takes to shift their narrative to suit their agenda.

The Nonce Society is extremely offended at being linked to football journalists.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Saying nothing isn’t a strategy it goes with “turning the other cheek” or just hoping it all blows over, what that does is allows the attack hypocritical media to take over.
We look guilty because we say nothing and welcome the media making the noise to come and whip us.
The truth doesn’t matter to them just restoration of the way it used to be.
Us in the third tier and them raking in all the profits, well I will be supporting us if we are thrown out.

 

[Coatigan]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Not sure I agree with any of that.

We have seen time and time again the club don't conduct big issues through a proxy media war. We are not bloody Barcelona. And it has worked so far, with uefa, cas, the transfer market etc.

I personally don't need the club to tell me any of that, to not be concerned it isn't happening. The shareholders likely know what's going on too.


That said, there was a rare article a few days ago that reported the club challenging a number of things in the process, including the head of the panel being an Arsenal fan. Which as far as I can see nobody here mentioned or engaged with. They will be doing lots in the background. Just not letting it become a distraction or the focus of media discussions.

 

[Coatigan]

Nail on head.

As it stands we are doing nothing to help our cause,while allowing the issue to snowball through ignorance and lies.

It has snowballed as far as it can go though. Has there been anything new, since the first round of mud throwing? No. They will all continue to repeat the charges and the number and the investigation until it is concluded. Nothing the club say can change that. It can only however make it the main topic and bring it to the foreground, as opposed to it being an unpleasant footnote to the success on the pitch.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Absolutely. The press now quote Erling on 900k a week, 500k more than anyone else. It has become fact in the eyes of United and Liverpool fans because they know that his fee makes him an absolute bargain, so they find a way that comforts them that they cannot compete financially, despite all evidence. Any fact becomes a myth fuelled laugh about fake sponsors and under the counter payments. The CAS verdict is ONLY because we dragged it out until it was time barred. Heck, they even believe their Emptihad narrative despite attendance data.

Social media is easy to manipulate people with algorithms of things they want to see rather than the truth. Which is why social media channels like Sports Joe, Sports Bible etc pump out the shite and lies about the club. This leaves to Dave The Dipper from Kent believing that City have been running some money laundering cartel and killing orphans. Misinformation and controlling the narrative is why brexit happened and Donald Trump became president of the United States. Repeat the lie enough times despite of the evidence to contradict it, stupid people will believe it.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Agreed. There is no way the club would brief that we are disputing a KC's integrity because of the team he supports. The club may well be raising independence issues, and the KC's Arsenal connections or his previous, and his continuing, connections to the PL may be one, but it would be monumentally stupid to allow a briefing about an appeal turn into a tribal issue that only an incredibly stupid press/public could concoct.

That leak was done to damage the club again IMO at a moment of importance, not help us. Maybe not the PL, but someone involved in the PL process. Now I wonder who that may have been?

There is a strong element of racism in all of this, remember how bad it was when we were taken over. “Arab money“ is a common swear word now amongst the “Twitterarti“
We scraped in before the door was closed for good they don’t like it.

 

[bluenova]

Saying nothing isn’t a strategy it goes with “turning the other cheek” or just hoping it all blows over, what that does is allows the attack hypocritical media to take over.
We look guilty because we say nothing and welcome the media making the noise to come and whip us.
The truth doesn’t matter to them just restoration of the way it used to be.
Us in the third tier and them raking in all the profits, well I will be supporting us if we are thrown out.

It absolutely is a strategy, both for legal issues, and in terms of PR.

The club will be challenging what they can behind the scenes, but they certainly won't want to be constantly commenting in public.

 

[Oldham Exile]

I'm pretty sure the club will have thought through every step they are taking. Although coming out with all guns blazing might be what the fans want, there is a lot to be said for keeping your powder dry. Any attempt to explain publicly the basis of our innocence could easily prejudice the case. Moreover, any public defence is unlikely to be accepted as legitimate by the media, so why bother.

As a City fan my shoulders have been broadened over the years. Let them say what they want.

I agree

As a CITY fan I want us to come out and take the fight to these red shirt fuckers - and to smash the PL case against us so that everyone can see that it has been fabricated and that PL FFP has only ever been a method of protectionism for certain clubs

I would like to see multiple court case where certain 'journalists' are made bankrupt etc.....

But,

I then think that the people that own us are clearly very savvy and plan and act to achieve strategic outcomes rather than just short-term satisfaction

I also consider the PL - it is their competition after all - and perhaps it would be a bad play to force their executives to go 100% against us because our actions make them consider that we are an existential threat. I wonder (and worry) - just what would be our recourse if they were to ban us from their competition? I doubt that we would get the required votes from other clubs to overturn that.

etc.

I think that we just have to trust in our leaders and back their playing of this - even if it is frustrating at times

And meanwhile enjoy - Wembley, Istanbul, the parade and the ongoing ride

 

[KS55]

Not sure I agree with any of that.

We have seen time and time again the club don't conduct big issues through a proxy media war. We are not bloody Barcelona. And it has worked so far, with uefa, cas, the transfer market etc.

I personally don't need the club to tell me any of that, to not be concerned it isn't happening. The shareholders likely know what's going on too.


That said, there was a rare article a few days ago that reported the club challenging a number of things in the process, including the head of the panel being an Arsenal fan. Which as far as I can see nobody here mentioned or engaged with. They will be doing lots in the background. Just not letting it become a distraction or the focus of media discussions.

The panel head is not just an Arsenal fan. He is a club member of one of our chief accusers who have worked tirelessly to get us charged. One wonders if he influenced that.

 

[cheekybids]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

I don’t understand why they haven’t wrestled back the narrative, I can only imagine they are keeping their powder dry. Hopefully it’s only for the moment.

 

[Coatigan]

Surely educating the average dimwit would be meaningful enough.

I think there seems to be a bit of a hard line. With some, no amount of explanations, logic applied and time spent seems enough. Can't see past the cliche headline. And then the other end of that, people are simply able to get to most of the real situations themselves, through what is available in the public domain.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground, unfortunately. I think the club know this, and aren't wasting time and energy as there isn't anything worth winning there, in terms of 'educating' anyone of note that would make any meaningful difference.

 

[wattle]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

I recon our top bods are more bothered about winning the case, rather than go on the attack with a bunch of nobodies. Obviously us fans think different, but we’re not running the club, thankfully haha

 

[Ducado]

I suspect that the club likes to do it’s business behind closed doors, and I am quite confident they know what they are doing, yes the narrative has been created and most likely won’t change, but I believe that revenge is a dish best served cold, actually in Arabic culture it’s always done that way, you watch

 

[Coatigan]

The fact the Times article last week obviously based on a briefing from City got covered absolutely everywhere and was talked about on every major tv, radio and social media channel suggests otherwise.

Was it? The first I heard if it, was a little footnote mention in that BBC video right at the end, 3 days later. Including not seeing it on this thread.

 

[west didsblue]

I don’t understand why they haven’t wrestled back the narrative, I can only imagine they are keeping their powder dry. Hopefully it’s only for the moment.

Presumably because the legal team have advised them to stay quiet and that the important thing at this stage is the legal process not the court of public opinion. The public opinion side can be fixed after the tribunal is over.

 

[cheekybids]

Masters though had a face like slapped arse!!

Absolutely, you’d imagine the joy as the head of the premier league with the worlds eyes on you it would be the proudest moment of your career. I can’t believe he’s not been pulled aside by Khaldoon & told what will be happening.

I bet he was shaking like a shitting dog all afternoon.

 

[JRockBlues]

Has there ever been a decent investigative piece by any sports journalist on the European Super League?

Has there been a timeline of events? Confirming who the main instigators were, when discussion took place, who was there, which clubs were approached, which ones were all in, which ones were hesitant to join and why?

There were a couple of documentaries made about it.

Kicking Off The Rise and Fall of the Super League - 1 hour programme made by BBC

Super League: The War for Football - 4-part that I think was shown on AppleTV

 

[Hoghead]

Misinformation and controlling the narrative is why brexit happened and Donald Trump became president of the United States. Repeat the lie enough times despite of the evidence to contradict it, stupid people will believe it.

Aren't you just doing the same now on social media. Who knows what the outcome could have been. It could have been a bigger vote for Brexit without social media. We all fall into the trap of half-truths and lies which makes us all stupid people including me and you.
I voted remain btw :) and I don't think we're squeaky clean.
We know Abu Dhabi isn't which is what people latch onto primarily.

 

[Coatigan]

That I agree with,but why don't our club put out their own statement which provides more detail and clarity? Downplay the issue,if you like?

I would guess because currently all the talk about the club is about: our success in the league, success in the champions league, performance on the pitch, haaland, inevitability (for some reason the new hot topic), and the 115 charges hanging over our head. In that order.

If the club were to put out a statement, no matter how good or explanatory, the talk would be about: the 115 charges hanging over us, the club statement, the 115 charges, an analysis of the club statement, a reminder of the 115 charges, success in the league, success in the champions league etc. Likely in that order.

I would hazard a guess.