PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Cityfan1977]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

100 this , our beloved club is outstanding in football things but terrible in sportwashing

 

[threadkiller]

Saying nothing isn’t a strategy it goes with “turning the other cheek” or just hoping it all blows over, what that does is allows the attack hypocritical media to take over.
We look guilty because we say nothing and welcome the media making the noise to come and whip us.
The truth doesn’t matter to them just restoration of the way it used to be.
Us in the third tier and them raking in all the profits, well I will be supporting us if we are thrown out.

You're wrong here. It's an arguing technique known as the 'Gish Gallop'. You make a huge number of random, bollox claims, which cost you nothing in terms of time and effort. Your opponent then has to spend considerable time and effort refuting each claim, at which point you just make some more. The whole time your opponent is spent refuting the claims, you are controlling the narrative, and the audience grows bored of listening to your opponent talk. And if your opponent refutes just some of the claims, you can use it as evidence that the others must be true, so you tie your opponent's hands into fighting ALL of them, and your opponent is fighting an uphill battle, regardless of the accuracy of the claims. Not engaging is the only way your opponent can win.

 

[Iassel]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Both sides are under NDA and I’m sure City don’t want to rattle the birdcage by leaking from their side, not least because they were so vocal about UEFA leaking previously and have tried to get this case heard under injuction…

 

[Jam Tomorrow]

Has anyone seen this link? Apart from the fact the BBC have published it when we have won the league, which is poor from the public broadcaster, I thought it was fair and it stuck to the facts. None of this guilty or failing to recognise we were exonerated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/65668465?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&Ros Atkins on… Manchester City's finances&2023-05-22T09:42:47.690Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:499602ad-1fd7-41e2-af9a-8da5bedfc36a&pinned_post_asset_id=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&pinned_post_type=share

I had avoided it tbh but just watched it and it is ok. One thing it doesnt do is bring into question other clubs who also failed ffp, the dippers in 2014, Wolves in 2021, QPR and Leicester bother failed the EFL version. Just for context it would be nice to see some shit thrown about at the others.

now that City have questioned the legality of the EPL process I do wonder how long this will last. Does anyone know where we are up to ? Does the process stop until the
legal challenge is completed?

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Can’t believe some on here think that all City need for a bit a positive commenting on the 115 charges is some good PR work.

Like mentioned above, there is absolutely nothing City can say or do that would lead to positive press.

Best to say nowt and let the legal action take its course.

All the hatred today will quieten in a few days then pick up at FA Cup Final / Champs League Final time then quieten again in the Summer.

 

[Mr Fraser]

You're wrong here. It's an arguing technique known as the 'Gish Gallop'. You make a huge number of random, bollox claims, which cost you nothing in terms of time and effort. Your opponent then has to spend considerable time and effort refuting each claim, at which point you just make some more. The whole time your opponent is spent refuting the claims, you are controlling the narrative, and the audience grows bored of listening to your opponent talk. And if your opponent refutes just some of the claims, you can use it as evidence that the others must be true, so you tie your opponent's hands into fighting ALL of them, and your opponent is fighting an uphill battle, regardless of the accuracy of the claims. Not engaging is the only way your opponent can win.

Never heard of gish gallop, but perfect, needs wider dissemination

 

[Ducado]

Can’t believe some on here think that all City need for a bit a positive commenting on the 115 charges is some good PR work.

Like mentioned above, there is absolutely nothing City can say or do that would lead to positive press.

Best to say nowt and let the legal action take its course.

All the hatred today will quieten in a few days then pick up at FA Cup Final / Champs League Final time then quieten again in the Summer.

We all know there is a pattern, normally prior to playing United or Liverpool, there will be a rash or these kind of stories, or other made up nonsense

I mean you could call me paranoid, but it seems to be a thing perhaps it may change when United are owned by another gulf state (if it ever happens)

 

[JewelZee]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Or maybe we're taking the approach of Queen Gertrude in William Shakespeare's Hamlet, in this case "The PL doth protest too much, me thinks".

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

100 this , our beloved club is outstanding in football things but terrible in sportwashing

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

 

[FantasyIreland]

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

Yep,and the issue,even if we are found not guilty,will always be one of 'no smoke without fire'

I think we should win our next two league games and come to a deal that we will accept the charge with the punishment being a 10 point penalty.