PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Kippax77]

5 Live this morning.......if City do the treble, would United's be considered "Pure"

Just fuck off.

Pure luck, yes

 

[supercity88]

Those claiming thw club are doing nothing about this to challenge public perception against the media portrayal of things, may be missing or forgetting Pep's role in all this. He creates bigger waves than the ripples of a media briefing or an online club statement.

They're also missing the fact that no one cares. City fans believe one thing, everyone else another. No matter what we do and say we will not change that. We're guilty. We won at CAS, except we didn't. Time-barred, fined and a "technicality" were the real outcomes.

It will be the same this time around.

Pep will say what needs to be said. Jonathan Liew will ignore it and write some nonsense philosophical driven rant, Simon Jordan will say he's read all the evidence and then make some rash judgment on how he thinks we were guilty but we're not any more and, most importantly City will keep on winning.

Chelsea were berated for a while, but we came along and stole their headlines. No one really cares about what they've spent now because they're shite. Newcastle are playing by the book at the moment, but things will change there and then we'll pick up our popcorn and quietly walk backwards out of the room.

 

[Blu3m00n91]

Never seen ‘115’ so much in my life. It’s only going to intensify over the coming weeks. Gonna be a barrage of so much shit being written about us. Keep winning on the pitch and fucking annoy them more.

 

[SilverFox2]

I saw the after the game presentation and the various interviews
What to me was interesting was the obvious importance the players put in praising the fans. All showed a preference to be with their mates and thank the crowd rather than be interviewed by Sky.
Pep made them wait until the end before he was interviewed and curtly put the microphone down on the table when finished.
Our Captain answered football questions expertly certainly surprising them with his intelligent ( I'm just a team player) version despite being not his main language.

I am assuming the presentation by the PL rep carries on because the PL legal team have to legally prove their accusations so it happened.

Is it possible that City owners prefer to keep football matters and legal ones separate?

Seems that the PL do as well.

 

[Mancity1980]

Has anyone seen this link? Apart from the fact the BBC have published it when we have won the league, which is poor from the public broadcaster, I thought it was fair and it stuck to the facts. None of this guilty or failing to recognise we were exonerated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/fo...6b18264af97d5b4c593a86&pinned_post_type=share

 

[HelloCity]

Has anyone seen this link? Apart from the fact the BBC have published it when we have won the league, which is poor from the public broadcaster, I thought it was fair and it stuck to the facts. None of this guilty or failing to recognise we were exonerated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/65668465?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&Ros Atkins on… Manchester City's finances&2023-05-22T09:42:47.690Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:499602ad-1fd7-41e2-af9a-8da5bedfc36a&pinned_post_asset_id=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&pinned_post_type=share

It really doesn’t.

It’s pure propaganda.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Same as what I think. anything said by our owners will fall of deaf ears and turned into something more inflammatory probably. I think they've learnt just say nothing and let facts speak. Not sure its the best way and I do wish they would come out and show some opposition to this bullshit, but I think we've all experienced it, you say anything in our defence you will get laughed at. Pointless.

The Queen used the mantra, 'never complain, never explain'.

Prince Andrew should have listened to her late Majesty.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Is one of the charges that we've been paying more in transfer fees than we've actually reported?
Was in an argument over the weekend when pointing out that we're 10th in the net spend table for the last years.

I argued that this wasn't one of the charges.
If for example we report the transfer fee for Nathan Ake of £40m, we pay Bournemouth that and they reflect that on their accounts.
If we actually pay them £60m but they report it as £40m, then they are guilty too for false accounting surely?

I'm no lawyer or forensic accountant sadly, unlike the majority of football fans on Twitter these days.

Is the "friend" you were arguing with talking about the Juventus/Danilo/Cancelo thing? If so, I haven't seen anything to indicate that that is an issue for the club.

The problem for Juventus I think was that they were keeping two sets of books: one for business and one for tax, and the numbers were different in both. Used to be pretty standard procedure when I was dealing with Italians, but illegal when you get caught, of course. Stand to be corrected. But AFAIK, this has nothing to do with City or the alleged PL breaches. That said, no-one knows what the actual charges are, just the various regulation breaches. Certainly, your "friend" doesn't.

The problem for your friend is that he shouldn't believe everything he reads on Twitter, or hears down the pub, no matter how much he wants it to be true.

 

[Mancity1980]

It really doesn’t.

It’s pure propaganda.

I get what you mean but I didn’t notice any wrong facts?

 

[Cityfan1977]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

100 this , our beloved club is outstanding in football things but terrible in sportwashing

 

[threadkiller]

Saying nothing isn’t a strategy it goes with “turning the other cheek” or just hoping it all blows over, what that does is allows the attack hypocritical media to take over.
We look guilty because we say nothing and welcome the media making the noise to come and whip us.
The truth doesn’t matter to them just restoration of the way it used to be.
Us in the third tier and them raking in all the profits, well I will be supporting us if we are thrown out.

You're wrong here. It's an arguing technique known as the 'Gish Gallop'. You make a huge number of random, bollox claims, which cost you nothing in terms of time and effort. Your opponent then has to spend considerable time and effort refuting each claim, at which point you just make some more. The whole time your opponent is spent refuting the claims, you are controlling the narrative, and the audience grows bored of listening to your opponent talk. And if your opponent refutes just some of the claims, you can use it as evidence that the others must be true, so you tie your opponent's hands into fighting ALL of them, and your opponent is fighting an uphill battle, regardless of the accuracy of the claims. Not engaging is the only way your opponent can win.

 

[Iassel]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Both sides are under NDA and I’m sure City don’t want to rattle the birdcage by leaking from their side, not least because they were so vocal about UEFA leaking previously and have tried to get this case heard under injuction…

 

[Norbert D]

Has anyone seen this link? Apart from the fact the BBC have published it when we have won the league, which is poor from the public broadcaster, I thought it was fair and it stuck to the facts. None of this guilty or failing to recognise we were exonerated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/65668465?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&Ros Atkins on… Manchester City's finances&2023-05-22T09:42:47.690Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:499602ad-1fd7-41e2-af9a-8da5bedfc36a&pinned_post_asset_id=646b18264af97d5b4c593a86&pinned_post_type=share

I had avoided it tbh but just watched it and it is ok. One thing it doesnt do is bring into question other clubs who also failed ffp, the dippers in 2014, Wolves in 2021, QPR and Leicester bother failed the EFL version. Just for context it would be nice to see some shit thrown about at the others.

now that City have questioned the legality of the EPL process I do wonder how long this will last. Does anyone know where we are up to ? Does the process stop until the
legal challenge is completed?

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Can’t believe some on here think that all City need for a bit a positive commenting on the 115 charges is some good PR work.

Like mentioned above, there is absolutely nothing City can say or do that would lead to positive press.

Best to say nowt and let the legal action take its course.

All the hatred today will quieten in a few days then pick up at FA Cup Final / Champs League Final time then quieten again in the Summer.

 

[Mr Fraser]

You're wrong here. It's an arguing technique known as the 'Gish Gallop'. You make a huge number of random, bollox claims, which cost you nothing in terms of time and effort. Your opponent then has to spend considerable time and effort refuting each claim, at which point you just make some more. The whole time your opponent is spent refuting the claims, you are controlling the narrative, and the audience grows bored of listening to your opponent talk. And if your opponent refutes just some of the claims, you can use it as evidence that the others must be true, so you tie your opponent's hands into fighting ALL of them, and your opponent is fighting an uphill battle, regardless of the accuracy of the claims. Not engaging is the only way your opponent can win.

Never heard of gish gallop, but perfect, needs wider dissemination

 

[Ducado]

Can’t believe some on here think that all City need for a bit a positive commenting on the 115 charges is some good PR work.

Like mentioned above, there is absolutely nothing City can say or do that would lead to positive press.

Best to say nowt and let the legal action take its course.

All the hatred today will quieten in a few days then pick up at FA Cup Final / Champs League Final time then quieten again in the Summer.

We all know there is a pattern, normally prior to playing United or Liverpool, there will be a rash or these kind of stories, or other made up nonsense

I mean you could call me paranoid, but it seems to be a thing perhaps it may change when United are owned by another gulf state (if it ever happens)

 

[JewelZee]

The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.

Or maybe we're taking the approach of Queen Gertrude in William Shakespeare's Hamlet, in this case "The PL doth protest too much, me thinks".

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

100 this , our beloved club is outstanding in football things but terrible in sportwashing

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

 

[FantasyIreland]

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

Yep,and the issue,even if we are found not guilty,will always be one of 'no smoke without fire'

I think we should win our next two league games and come to a deal that we will accept the charge with the punishment being a 10 point penalty.

 

[bitterblue78]

Funny thing is whenever i see arsenal, dippers, the rags fans say city are cheating, i just reply with prove it. Strangely enough i dont get a reply