PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[ROCKET80]

There were a couple of documentaries made about it.

Kicking Off The Rise and Fall of the Super League - 1 hour programme made by BBC

Super League: The War for Football - 4-part that I think was shown on AppleTV

Thanks for the response, but they don't tell us anything we didn't already know ( I haven't seen the Apple TV one but form what I've read it doesn't appear to cover any new ground?)

The New York times seems to have done further reporting having seen the contracts signed by the clubs.

I can't find anything that clearly reports on the timeline of events, the main players behind it and how it took shape, when clubs were invited and what they knew of it, leading to the calamitous announcement and subsequent withdrawal.

There is anecdotal stuff around Real and Juventus planning this for 3 years (although Real has been wanting a Super League for much longer than that).

 

[I'm Blue]

An 'm', otherwise they only lost £115,000,115...

I was like eh?
Then the penny dropped lol

 

[wattle]

Most people wouldn’t know who Heath or Wilson were

Adrian and Clive?

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The Premier league and Masters have bitten off more than they can chew , quite sure at levels far above Masters there are movers and shakers in our government know the effect this will have on investment from our country by the United Arab Emirates if any of these charges stick.
Sport and politics should never mix but when your owner has just attended the coronation of the King it shows how important his standing is in relation to our countries economy.
Quite sure there will be someone from on high instructing Masters and the Premier league to cease this witch hunt there is too much at stake the government will not risk a massive investor to be ostracized.

My opinion is this ill thought out process the Premier league has initiated was always a non starter and was only driven by the hateful red 'istree clubs , Masters will regret these actions and hopefully the Rags & Dippers puppet pays with his job , and we get someone in to run the Premier league who represents all 20 clubs ,and not just the two main protaganists who are owned by yanks who's only intent is to screw as much profit from their clubs.

 

[Gordyola]

I remember Kaldoon saying in one of his end of season interviews something along the lines of the football world is a small one and we hear what goes on, sounds like we have been keeping our powder dry.

I guess the SIA have been busy since the charges were announced I do wonder if Paltini’s downfall was influenced by UEFA first charging of City with breaking FFP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signals_Intelligence_Agency

 

[Gordyola]

Adrian and Clive?

Brilliant
Them as well

 

[cheekybids]

Funny thing is whenever i see arsenal, dippers, the rags fans say city are cheating, i just reply with prove it. Strangely enough i dont get a reply

I’ve used a similar tactic. On Twitter I’ve asked out 115, provide 1, just 1.

 

[Gordyola]

I don’t know to be fair, I’m not very clued up on Everton’s case. I would assume they’ve lost more than was allowed after into account the leeway given for Covid related losses, but I’m only guessing. Sure someone else with more knowledge will answer

They lost £371 over 3 year period £105 is allowed a special allowance was made for Covid and Everton claimed an offset of £170, the next highest was Arsenal with £86 Villa £56 biggest loss for any club was gate receipts so compared to Arsenal with a bigger ground and higher ticket prices soemthing doesn’t add up

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If that was the case why are they trying to fuck Everton over?

I think the belief is that Everton are outside acceptable losses even allowing for covid allowance.
Everton will doubtless have claims as to why it's acceptable.

 

[cheekybids]

Makes me wonder what the end game is for our enemies, is it to smear us or shut us down? Is their fantasy to do a Rangers on us? Could they actually get away with it? Or have the EPL seriously overreached and would be happy with a face saving compromise?
fucked if I know!

Is it to shut down both premier league & champions league. How often do you see fans of the red 3 want us kicked out or for them to form their own league.

 

[cheekybids]

Good post and just picking up the PL position. I'd imagine that they're not too happy about the fact that a title win is clouded in these allegations. We all know they were forced down this road. It's not good for the competition to have question marks over its best team. They want positivity and integrity and as much money as possible. They don't want doubt to surround their title winners and sponsors to worry that they're not conducting themselves properly.

The best outcome for the PL is for the charges to be assessed and the PL to categorically confirm there were no breaches.

As per my previous post, we'll still be guilty of course. But I don't think the PL can "afford" to have a CAS style ruling where there's still a fine. I think they have to either punish us or let us off completely. Any fine will be too small and lead to more questions than answers.

I think they are complicit or have acted irresponsibly if they did not think this would happen with a bloated 115 charges.

 

[Peterloo]

This weekends starting 11s

Utd £566M
Chelsea £426M
Liverpool 390M
Arsenal 355M
City 288M

But we bought the league

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

Great post but one thing to point out where it's inaccurate is that, as far as I can see, there are 5 charges but only 2 substantive financial issues, namely the Mancini contract & players' image rights payments. And these are both wrapped up in a single charge, which is the second one.

If we haven't reported those properly, then by definition we've probably not presented true and fair accounts (although that's arguable). That's the first charge.

And if we haven't presented true and fair accounts, then we've potentially deceived UEFA FFP and the PL equivalent rules, which are charges 3 & 4.

I've said this a number of times, but the Mancini contract is a complete red-herring and irrelevance. Plus UEFA discussed the image rights payments with us in 2015 apparently yet no charges were made, either then or in 2019. So clearly nothing to see there either.

Bit, as you rightly point out, say "115 charges" often enough and people believe there must have been serious financial chicanery.

 

[cheekybids]

To my mind Liverpool supporters seem to have a hard on for us and all this shit because they have some fantastical vision that somehow they are going to be awarded titles.

Even they know they don’t be awarded titles but they can add it in their victim column under would have won titles but were cheated.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Great post but one thing to point out where it's inaccurate is that, as far as I can see, there are 5 charges but only 2 substantive financial issues, namely the Mancini contract & players' image rights payments. And these are both wrapped up in a single charge, which is the second one.

If we haven't reported those properly, then by definition we've probably not presented true and fair accounts (although that's arguable). That's the first charge.

And if we haven't presented true and fair accounts, then we've potentially deceived UEFA FFP and the PL equivalent rules, which are charges 3 & 4.

I've said this a number of times, but the Mancini contract is a complete red-herring and irrelevance. Plus UEFA discussed the image rights payments with us in 2015 apparently yet no charges were made, either then or in 2019. So clearly nothing to see there either.

Bit, as you rightly point out, say "115 charges" often enough and people believe there must have been serious financial chicanery.

Yep, with my one additional and oft repeated comment about the "true and fair" view given by the signed, audited, annual accounts, that is pretty much the situation, IMHO.

 

[Bill Walker]

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

I hope you are right about this.

But would the PL be so stupid as to charge us with 115 counts knowing that they could be made to look like biased, red shirted blithering idiots if 110 charges were frivolous ?
Would they risk that ?

 

[Bill Walker]

None of it makes any sense.
Probably cos it’s a stacked deck to protect the cartel

We all know who the perpetrators of this "knock City off their perch at all costs" shit is. It's all red shirt wankers. Knowing how vindictive the pisscan is, I wouldn't be surprised if he's driving this, revenge for our piss taking about him saying "not in my lifetime"
We've seen his level of arrogance against journalists who asked him questions he didn't like, he just fucking banned them from the toilet after belittling them publicly.

Christ I hope we really kick their jealous red arses at Wembley, teach the Ten Bob dickweed pretender a fucking big football lesson Pep.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I hope you are right about this.

But would the PL be so stupid as to charge us with 115 counts knowing that they could be made to look like biased, red shirted blithering idiots if 110 charges were frivolous ?
Would they risk that ?

Yes sure, why not? If we are found to have had no case to answer they can tell themselves and the press that they followed protocol and they can tell the red shirts that they tried their best.

 

[cheekybids]

Yes sure, why not? If we are found to have had no case to answer they can tell themselves and the press that they followed protocol and they can tell the red shirts that they tried their best.

Procedural & fair, what’s their fears?

 

[Decepticon]

Apparently City should release their “irrefutable evidence” to this random whopper. Seriously, the levels of fuckwittery amongst some people is off the scale. Naturally, I responded in my usual calm and composed way when dealing with these cunts!

That response was the equivalent of this.