Considering how he is with other guests and how argumentative for the sake of it he tries to be, I don’t think Jordan was as much of a bellend as he normally is in that and even if it might not have come across listening to it, you can see on the vid he was respecting and agreeing with most of the points being put back to him.
I don’t mean any of that as a compliment to him as such, aside from that he clearly knew he had come up against a more than worthy adversary that he couldn’t counter.
@projectriver, superb interview.
Be intrigued to know if you speak to them after the interview and what they say once the microphones are off!