Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

From my French friend...

An Englishman refuses the vaccine. The doctor says, “Be a gentleman, take the vaccine”. “On that basis, OK,” he says.

A German guy refuses the vaccine. The doctor says, “You’re ordered to take the vaccine”. “If it’s an order, OK,” he says.

An American refuses the vaccine. The doctor says, “All your neighbours have had it”. “In that case, OK,” he says.

A Frenchman refuses the vaccine. The doctor says, “You’re not entitled to it”. “What do you mean, I’m not entitled? – I demand you give it me now.”

(Maybe Macron using reverse psychology - if he says don't use the AZ vaccine, they'll all want it - and it's cheaper!)

 

[Vic]

Micron explicitly has said exactly that. The rest coming out of Germany and the EU is designed to destroy the reputation of the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine.

To what end? It's the cheapest and (once AZ have fulfilled the UK's "priority" contract) is likely to be the easiest to acquire and use. I'm happy to have the AZ vaccine - on balance it's worth the risk that it is less effective for older people and I know I'm part of a large test trial - because they hadn't tested it on that many older people to start with, partly because you needed vulnerable older people to test it and contract the virus to find out if it worked! But I'm not going to sit in a Covid ward at the hospital to see how I get on.

I wouldn't want the Pfizer vaccine (perhaps more reliable for older people) unless I was to get the second shot within the shorter time period as recommended by the maker.

What the scientists were saying and how Macron spun it are not the same. Even the Swedes are not authorising the UK-Swedish AZ vaccine for over-65s.

 

[bluejon]

The answer is actually the Electoral Commission.

Cameron's the bellend who thought he'd easily be able to finally get his back benchers in line with the vote, I just blame everything on him.

 

[bluethrunthru]

why didn't Frost tell Johnson we'd need at least another year (even before Covid hit) to avoid a shitstorm? A shitstorm is bad enough, but an in-flight shitstorm?

either he did and Johnson said nothing for his own political ends or Frosty the Showman is the shittest professional negotiator in history

You didn't want an extension, you were happy dragging it out in the hope of late EU concessions, and the UK lost a year with that stupid tactic

Because we held all the cards of course silly lol

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

To what end? It's the cheapest and (once AZ have fulfilled the UK's "priority" contract) is likely to be the easiest to acquire and use. I'm happy to have the AZ vaccine - on balance it's worth the risk that it is less effective for older people and I know I'm part of a large test trial - because they hadn't tested it on that many older people to start with, partly because you needed vulnerable older people to test it and contract the virus to find out if it worked! But I'm not going to sit in a Covid ward at the hospital to see how I get on.

I wouldn't want the Pfizer vaccine (perhaps more reliable for older people) unless I was to get the second shot within the shorter time period as recommended by the maker.

What the scientists were saying and how Macron spun it are not the same. Even the Swedes are not authorising the UK-Swedish AZ vaccine for over-65s.

You nailed it when you said what Macron has been spouting off about and what the scientists are saying are completely different. I have no issue with the regulatory bodies choosing to take a cautious approach - that is entirely their prerogative. However, there is a political attack coming from Macron, Germany and the EU Commission that is trying to undermine both the vaccine and the approach the UK has chosen. All they have to say is that it is up to different countries to decide how they want to do things but instead they are saying that our government is taking risks and that the vaccine is ‘quasi ineffective’.

 

[Vic]

You nailed it when you said what Macron has been spouting off about and what the scientists are saying are completely different. I have no issue with the regulatory bodies choosing to take a cautious approach - that is entirely their prerogative. However, there is a political attack coming from Macron, Germany and the EU Commission that is trying to undermine both the vaccine and the approach the UK has chosen. All they have to say is that it is up to different countries to decide how they want to do things but instead they are saying that our government is taking risks and that the vaccine is ‘quasi ineffective’.

The USA seems to be showing similar caution.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The USA seems to be showing similar caution.

That’s entirely their decision. Other then Fauci criticising the MHRA decision to approve the Pfizer vaccine before the US (& then immediately retracting and apologising) there hasn’t been a stream of US politicians claiming our approach is wrong and that we are putting UK citizens at risk. Unlike the EU I would say.

 

[west didsblue]

The EU approved the drug. Germany, Poland have advised against use for over 65’s as the data was insufficient by their rules.

Switzerland, not in EU, have refused to authorise it. I assume, using your logic, we will now have ‘outraged Swiss citizens demanding to join the EU‘.

Headline in the Express:
'Why we left!' Britons FURIOUS as Switzerland bans UK vaccine..

Genius.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Headline in the Express:
'Why we left!' Britons FURIOUS as Switzerland bans UK vaccine..

Genius.

Swiss tourist board

"Spread Covid, hoard Nazi gold"

 

[BobKowalski]

Headline in the Express:
'Why we left!' Britons FURIOUS as Switzerland bans UK vaccine..

Genius.

Yes, we also seem oddly affronted about decisions taken by independent sovereign countries.

 

[BobKowalski]

Just for balance as the border between us and Europe hardens :)

‘Cadbury to transfer production of its Dairy Milk bars from Germany and other sites across Europe to the UK following £15 million investment at its Bournville site.‘

 

[@BluePhil8]

Yes, we also seem oddly affronted about decisions taken by independent sovereign countries.

So tabloid headlines represent the opinions of the masses now? In that case we all love United and Liverpool, and Madeline McCann & Meghan and Harry & Princess Di are constantly at the forefront of our collective minds.

Fair fucks to any independent nation making their own decision. Good on them.

Personally, I have faith in the UK scientific community, we are one of the most advanced nations on planet Earth.

 

[Ban-jani]

The infantile, desperate attempts by the likes of Micron and the EU Commission to basically claim that the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine is ineffective as a means of covering up their ineptitude are hardly likely to improve UK/EU relations.

I suspect they will be squirming a lot more in a few weeks as the success of our vaccine roll out becomes more apparent and they have even more flak coming their way from outraged EU citizens.

They’re playing with the lives of their citizens over this.

On the other side, if they don’t want it, then the UK will be vaccinated quicker, I just hope we close our borders to them, for the mutation risk.

 

[Vic]

Yes, we also seem oddly affronted about decisions taken by independent sovereign countries.

Actually it's blaming the all-controlling EU AND individual members making sovereign decisions.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The infantile, desperate attempts by the likes of Micron

The infantile desperate and deliberate mis-spelling of a name................

 

[west didsblue]

It feels great to be free of that burdensome EU bureaucracy.....
https://www.standard.co.uk/business...businesses-uk-eu-borders-tariffs-b918659.html

I honestly thought that a trade deal would stave off the immediate impact of Brexit and it would be slow steady barely perceptible decline that we'd get used to as time went on. Looks like I was wrong and it's not much better than No Deal for a huge number of people.

According to some industry sources the government appear to be making matters worse by refusing to discuss changes to alleviate things because they want the EU to experience some of the pain that we are in order to force concessions from them. Effectively using the same "walk away option and political will to use it" strategy that we used for the trade deal that spectacularly failed. We really do have a government of idiots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-exports-eu-trade-talks-latest-b1797559.html

I suspect our very own Comical Ali will be along very shortly to tell us that there's no impact for most people here and it's all scaremongering.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The infantile desperate and deliberate mis-spelling of a name................

Erm, here's one you made earlier, as they used to say ...

either he did and Johnson said nothing for his own political ends or Frosty the Showman is the shittest professional negotiator in history

 

[west didsblue]

Erm, here's one you made earlier, as they used to say ...

Technically that's an epithet not a misspelling.

 

[Vic]

It feels great to be free of that burdensome EU bureaucracy.....
https://www.standard.co.uk/business...businesses-uk-eu-borders-tariffs-b918659.html

I honestly thought that a trade deal would stave off the immediate impact of Brexit and it would be slow steady barely perceptible decline that we'd get used to as time went on. Looks like I was wrong and it's not much better than No Deal for a huge number of people.

According to some industry sources the government appear to be making matters worse by refusing to discuss changes to alleviate things because they want the EU to experience some of the pain that we are in order to force concessions from them. Effectively using the same "walk away option and political will to use it" strategy that we used for the trade deal that spectacularly failed. We really do have a government of idiots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-exports-eu-trade-talks-latest-b1797559.html

I suspect our very own Comical Ali will be along very shortly to tell us that there's no impact for most people here and it's all scaremongering.

Well advised by semi-retired consultants, no doubt.

 

[meltonblue]

It feels great to be free of that burdensome EU bureaucracy.....
https://www.standard.co.uk/business...businesses-uk-eu-borders-tariffs-b918659.html

I honestly thought that a trade deal would stave off the immediate impact of Brexit and it would be slow steady barely perceptible decline that we'd get used to as time went on. Looks like I was wrong and it's not much better than No Deal for a huge number of people.

According to some industry sources the government appear to be making matters worse by refusing to discuss changes to alleviate things because they want the EU to experience some of the pain that we are in order to force concessions from them. Effectively using the same "walk away option and political will to use it" strategy that we used for the trade deal that spectacularly failed. We really do have a government of idiots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-exports-eu-trade-talks-latest-b1797559.html

I suspect our very own Comical Ali will be along very shortly to tell us that there's no impact for most people here and it's all scaremongering.

The select affairs committees today don’t make for good reading either. They’re not going to be able to argue teething problems for much longer, some big changes needed already.