Political relations between UK-EU

[smudgedj]

European politicians are beginning to voice a once unthinkable threat by suggesting they could snatch patents from drug companies to make up for massive shortfalls in the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

Europe hints at patent grab from Big Pharma

Prominent figures in Germany, Italy and even at the European Council are toughening on patents — but are they bluffing?

www.politico.eu

It’s like they don’t read what they sign

Fucking amateurs.

 

[Chris in London]

European politicians are beginning to voice a once unthinkable threat by suggesting they could snatch patents from drug companies to make up for massive shortfalls in the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

Europe hints at patent grab from Big Pharma

Prominent figures in Germany, Italy and even at the European Council are toughening on patents — but are they bluffing?

www.politico.eu

It’s like they don’t read what they sign

Fucking amateurs.

This.

Fucking idiot politicians that don’t understand that signing legal documents has consequences even if they can’t be arsed reading them

;)

How’s it going down there mate? Mrs Smudge still got her work cut out?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

European politicians are beginning to voice a once unthinkable threat by suggesting they could snatch patents from drug companies to make up for massive shortfalls in the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

Europe hints at patent grab from Big Pharma

Prominent figures in Germany, Italy and even at the European Council are toughening on patents — but are they bluffing?

www.politico.eu

It’s like they don’t read what they sign

Fucking amateurs.

I asked about this very issue a couple of times last week but got no response.
I asked again in the Covid thread as I thought that the idea has merit and got a comprehensive reply from those knowing more about the industry than I.

Worth a read regarding how IP and patent works and how the Pharmaceutical companies make their money, if anyone is interested.

 

[smudgedj]

This.

Fucking idiot politicians that don’t understand that signing legal documents has consequences even if they can’t be arsed reading them

;)

How’s it going down there mate? Mrs Smudge still got her work cut out?

I’m low maintenance lol

It’s fine here, a little too hot for me though. Wife had her vaccination yesterday so she’s happy; military police turned up and vaccinated all the medical staff, with the AstraZeneca one.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

European politicians are beginning to voice a once unthinkable threat by suggesting they could snatch patents from drug companies to make up for massive shortfalls in the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

Europe hints at patent grab from Big Pharma

Prominent figures in Germany, Italy and even at the European Council are toughening on patents — but are they bluffing?

www.politico.eu

It’s like they don’t read what they sign

Fucking amateurs.

That would have consequences, Politicians eh who would have thought it!?

 

[Vic]

European politicians are beginning to voice a once unthinkable threat by suggesting they could snatch patents from drug companies to make up for massive shortfalls in the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

Europe hints at patent grab from Big Pharma

Prominent figures in Germany, Italy and even at the European Council are toughening on patents — but are they bluffing?

www.politico.eu

It’s like they don’t read what they sign

Fucking amateurs.

1.20.1 of what?

 

[mcfc1632]

So it's too late, and Leaver Liar Johnson's decision not to seek a further extension to sort out some of the 1000s of issues means ... that it's going to be a shitstorm.

So - given all this obvious lack of planning under May / Hammond - why didn't Frost tell Johnson we'd need at least another year (even before Covid hit) to avoid a shitstorm? A shitstorm is bad enough, but an in-flight shitstorm?

You didn't want an extension, you were happy dragging it out in the hope of late EU concessions, and the UK lost a year with that stupid tactic. Blame others for delays if you like, and blame Remainers for the hope of a second referendum that would enable the electorate to change mind, but if you're trying to pretend that your heroes have not faffed around and wasted the time for better preparations for over a year since the GE - j'accuse. It's pure hypocrisy.

Not logged in today - but just seen this

You do talk some nonsense

That post is riddled with inconsistencies - the answers to all your points are wholly obvious - well at least they should be

 

[meltonblue]

I asked about this very issue a couple of times last week but got no response.
I asked again in the Covid thread as I thought that the idea has merit and got a comprehensive reply from those knowing more about the industry than I.

Worth a read regarding how IP and patent works and how the Pharmaceutical companies make their money, if anyone is interested.

Absolutely has merit, never going to happen though.

 

[smudgedj]

1.20.1 of what?

It's the Curevac contract for advance orders. The AZ is redacted a little but is clear on the vaccine ip.

 

[meltonblue]

It's the Curevac contract for advance orders. The AZ is redacted a little but is clear on the vaccine ip.

Yep. There’s no way AZ wouldn’t keep the patent, or any of the other manufacturers.

It’s a shame, but it’s the way of the world.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I asked about this very issue a couple of times last week but got no response.
I asked again in the Covid thread as I thought that the idea has merit and got a comprehensive reply from those knowing more about the industry than I.

Worth a read regarding how IP and patent works and how the Pharmaceutical companies make their money, if anyone is interested.

According to that, "Europe" hasn't done anything. Various people from various countries have offered an opinion on the subject. Italy appears to have passed something in their parliament to support a waiver, but it's a long way from happening, but much of those miniquotes are likely to be positioning for domestic purposes.

I don't know much about this part of patent law, but it seems a staggering step which would drive companies out of Europe, and I can't see it happening, or even really making any headway at all.

I'm not sure which patents would be in force that they could try such a 'waiver' on anyway, and even if they did, they'd still have to build new factories first to do so which costs a lot and takes time - as Altmeier said. Even then, a patent doesn't necessarily inform on how to build a plant, create the right mRNA to be made, make it, operate the factory - it just seems impractical. I think that it would be far more commercially sensible to just fund the building of the factories in exchange for a nice deal.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

any minute now John Redwood will be tweeting that because him and his lot denied this could happen the British people should be eating yet more British produce that they didn't a month ago. A not very subtle attempt to make this about patriotism and it being the british peoples fault

 

[mcfc1632]

It is the most successful political lie ever told.

"Tories are anti EU and if you are too then you are a Tory"

Who took is in? Tories

Who campaigned to keep is in? Tories. Mrs Thatcher even wore a rather fetching jumper depicting all the European flags.

Who helped orchestrate the Maastricht treaty? Tories

Who joined us up to the ERM as a precursor to joining the euro? Tories.

Who campaigned to keep is in for a second time? Tories

Who did the deal with the hated backstop effectively keeping us in but hoping the thick northern racists wouldn't notice until it was too late? Tories.

Until recently when labour became a right wing neo liberal party of the boardroom and banks the labour party campaigned vociferously against the EEC/EU.

But yeah, if you wanted out you must be a Tory.
(And they have the cheek to call leavers thick)

Excellent post - and absolutely spot on

I see see @meltonblue on this page suggests that it is not true......

I will put that down to him not being a regular on the threads between 2016-2019 where there were scores of posts from Remainers demanding that everybody must recognise that Brexit is a Tory thing

Perhaps I should find a few choice examples - there was not end of hatred and vitriol

 

[mcfc1632]

If you recall, I was trying to talk about the impact of Brexit on (particularly) the shellfish export trade. I think the only responses were from The Bloviator who just said I didn't understand. In the event, it's badly affected even those who might have benefited from leaving.

You dismiss all this as of not much concern. I'm not sure whether it's callousness or just being daft.

Here you go again - twisting the facts to support your narrative

Yes - I agree - you requested to discuss the subject of fishing many times

But always only with regard to the very narrow scope that you can grasp - i.e. what the situation was pre-Brexit. All you could refer to was what you can find out online re size of fleet, allocations of quotas etc.

At the time the topic was a key part of the negotiations and I was pointing out that you and others, having spent months deriding the UK and the fishing industry for being so inconsequential, resoundingly demonstrated your lack of understanding of the topic of fishing in the context of the negotiations

You have to date only shown an utter lack of understanding of managing negotiations - on that topic you had nothing to offer

 

[bluethrunthru]

sometimes mate this shit is as predictable as kicking a ball against a wall - you know whats coming straight back at you. Does the stupid bastard really believe that people - even those in his constituency are hardly likely to decide tea tomorrow will be an eclade de moules or a whole spider crab instead of the planned frozen pizza or eggs chips and beans? Thats surely a parody account?

 

[bluethrunthru]

turns out it was the guy with the white floppy hair who fooled Roger Daltrey - in the Commons Chamber - with his lies gun - I love Cluedo

 

[west didsblue]

sometimes mate this shit is as predictable as kicking a ball against a wall - you know whats coming straight back at you. Does the stupid bastard really believe that people - even those in his constituency are hardly likely to decide tea tomorrow will be an eclade de moules or a whole spider crab instead of the planned frozen pizza or eggs chips and beans? Thats surely a parody account?

The fishing industry should flex its mussels and prove that they are not just prawns in the Brexit saga. It would certainly be a whelk-come move.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The fishing industry should flex its mussels and prove that they are not just prawns in the Brexit saga. It would certainly be a whelk-come move.

You mean be the biggest shark in the rock pool? Orca-strate some sort of retaliation rather than just be put in their plaice?

 

[west didsblue]

Bless - you are struggling with how thing have worked out aren't you

Fingers crossed - your apocalypse might be sighted next week - then you will be happy

I’m not struggling because I work in an industry where most of its sales are outside the EU so we have an export control department that will cope quite easily with the additional burden of import and export bureaucracy required for business with EU countries. Unfortunately for millions of other people they are not in the same position and they are already seeing the businesses they work in struggle, with whole industries at risk. You might like to pretend this isn’t happening because you can’t admit you were wrong but no one with a brain takes you seriously.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

sometimes mate this shit is as predictable as kicking a ball against a wall - you know whats coming straight back at you. Does the stupid bastard really believe that people - even those in his constituency are hardly likely to decide tea tomorrow will be an eclade de moules or a whole spider crab instead of the planned frozen pizza or eggs chips and beans? Thats surely a parody account?

What do we want? Langoustine...

When do we want it? Now....