Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

[ancoats]

Look, We were only playing into his and the official's hands,
Why fall for it when you are 2.0 up and playing very well, it's not like we have not seen it many times before
Just get on with it and let your advantage of being better players/team and hurt them on the scoreboard

That game should really have been over before halftime and changes could have happened to key players

 

[SebastianBlue]

I don’t think Taylor was even that bad yesterday. Our fanbase have just got a bee in our bonnet about him.

Apart from Foden being fouled right at the start which Taylor should have booked their lad for and a foul on Grealish he waved play-on from… there was nothing else he got wrong really.

It was definitely a red card for Rodri. Gibbs White did fling himself over for no reason, but Rodri still put his hands around his neck… you just can’t do that.

At one point Phillips barged into the back of one of their players which was a blatant foul and the crowd started chanting ‘you’re not fit to referee’… makes us look daft that, it was clearly a foul.

Strongly disagree, PC, even about the Phillips challenge, if we are talking about the one that was shoulder-to-shoulder and the Forest player fell to the ground for which Phillips was penalised for (it was identical to a challenge immediately before it from a Forest player on one of ours that Taylor waived away). Though, I do agree Rodri deserved the red.

I have expounded on the issues with Taylor’s performance (and posted about what he was doing well before the Rodri incident), so I will just quote my summary post, which includes the foul and booking stats, which support my position.

To be clear, bar one, every “foul” we committed resulted in a booking.

We had 5 fouls, 3 yellows, and one red.

Forest had 17 fouls, 7 yellows.

They had a booking-to-foul ratio almost exactly half of ours (and that is not including the numerous fouls that Taylor ignored completely, of which I can think of about six off the top of my head, including two clear fouls on Rodri leading up to his sending off).

The red card aside—as I think most agree that was a stupid decision from Rodri to take the bait Forest (and many would argue Taylor) were setting for us throughout the match—his performance was at best very inept, and at worst, highly suspect.

And why would you agree with the strawman post from lassel when no one is arguing the referee should ignore the rules because it is City?

In fact, nearly everyone is arguing the exact opposite.

 

[cleavers]

When something is an obvious foul for the team in red but is ‘play on’ for the team in blue that is either incompetent or dishonest, and Taylor is reckoned to be one of the best referees in Europe.

This all day.

When I see him refereeing in Europe, he shows no bias and just does a decent job.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Our fouls weren’t punished with instant cards.

We got four yellow cards yesterday. Two were for our players squaring up head-to-head with theirs (Ederson and Grealish) and another was for Pep going mad at the fourth official.

Only one of our fouls we gave away received a yellow card and that was Akanji’s that I thought was a booking.

There were a number of things he didn’t blow fouls for pulling back yesterday that think is a good way to ref. We’re on the attack, why stop play? But he should be pulling the captain over and saying ‘I’ll play on but I’ll get the yellow card out for the next one after the phase of play. You need to tell your players to stop pulling them back’.

It was poor that he didn’t do that. But he did book 7 of their players.

All but one of our fouls lead to a booking yesterday.

5 fouls: 3 yellow cards, one red card.

And most observers (including Pep, BBC, NBC, etc.) did not believe the Akanji tackle was a foul, much less a yellow card.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Strongly disagree, PC, even about the Phillips challenge, if we are talking about the one that was shoulder-to-shoulder and the Forest player fell to the ground for which Phillips was penalised for (it was identical to a challenge immediately before it from a Forest player on one of ours that Taylor waived away). Though, I do agree Rodri deserved the red.

I have expounded on the issues with Taylor’s performance (and posted about what he was doing well before the Rodri incident), so I will just quote my summary post, which includes the foul and booking stats, which support my position.

To be clear, bar one, every “foul” we committed resulted in a booking.

That’s not right. Only one of our fouls received a booking (Akanji), the three other yellows were for Ederson and Grealish squaring up head-to-head with their players (neither of which were free kicks we gave away, one was our goal kick and the other was actually our free kick) and for Pep going mad at the Fourth Official.

Of our 5 fouls we gave away 1 was a booking.

The red card wasn’t a foul either. It ended up as a Forest throw in.

 

[SebastianBlue]

That’s not right. Only one of our fouls received a booking (Akanji), the three others were for Ederson and Grealish squaring up head-to-head with their players and the other was for Pep going mad at the Fourth Official.

It cannot be “wrong”, I am using the official Premier League stats.

We were given 5 total fouls for any reason in the match.

We received 3 yellow and 1 red card across all “fouls”.

Forest were given 17 fouls for any reason, with 7 yellow cards being issued.

You can argue attribution (or, in my case, that many Forest fouls were not given so are not represented in the stats), but those are the official stats and the official bookings-to-fouls ratios.

If anything, what you are arguing is actually in line with what I am arguing.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That’s not right. Only one of our fouls received a booking (Akanji), the three other yellows were for Ederson and Grealish squaring up head-to-head with their players (neither of which were free kicks we gave away, one was actually our free kick) and the other was for Pep going mad at the Fourth Official.

Of our 5 fouls we gave away 1 was a booking.

The red card wasn’t a foul either. It ended up as a Forest throw in.

The number of fouls given to booking ratio has always been a pointless debating point.

As you say, Grealish and Ederson got booked for head-rutting, Pep for dissent and Rodri for high hands. None were free kicks, meaning the ratio is useless. As usual.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It cannot be “wrong”, I am using the official Premier League stats.

We were given 5 total fouls for any reason in the match.

We received 3 yellow and 1 red card across all fouls.

Forest were given 17 fouls for any reason, with 7 yellow cards being issued.

You can argue attribution (or, in my case, that many Forest fouls were not given so are not represented in the stats), but those are the official stats and the official bookings-to-fouls ratios.

When bookings and red cards can be given out for things that aren’t fouls (like 4 of our 5 cards were yesterday), that’s a completely pointless way to look at it.

Plus that’s not what you said, you said, ‘To be clear, bar one, every “foul” we committed resulted in a booking’. When they didn’t.

 

[TinFoilHat]

What I don’t get is, how did it take a 3 minute VAR check for them to validate the red? Surely if it’s as clear and obvious as it looks (hands on neck) then there’s no grey area…or is there?

I'd love Webb to release the audio for it.

The VAR is another Rag sympathiser that fucked Forest over at the Swamp.

 

[SebastianBlue]

When bookings and red cards can be given out for things that aren’t fouls (like 4 of our 5 cards were yesterday), that’s a completely pointless way to look at it.

Plus that’s not what you said, you said, ‘To be clear, bar one, every “foul” we committed resulted in a booking’. When they didn’t.

I put foul in quotes because it was in the context of bookings-to-fouls. Regardless of the direct reason the bookings were made, the difference in resulting ratios is among the evidence Taylor was not officiating the match fairly.

I understand what you are arguing, and I disagree with the premise it is a completely useless contribution to assessment.

At any rate, I was utlimately disagreeing with your conclusions that “Taylor was even that bad yesterday. Our fanbase have just got a bee in our bonnet about him.”

That is what I was responding to.