Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Yes, yet nobody describes footballers as corrupt.

I'd say that the officials can act corruptly, but they can't really cheat, whereas players can do both and it's just easier to simply call them cheats.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That's the generally accepted definition, I guess. Then there are further definitions within that for political corruption, for example, or, more relevant to what we are discussing, corruption of processes.

What Clattenburg did may not be institutional corruption (unless the PL/PGMOL were aware, and lets not forget, his departure from the PL was rather swift and unexpected), it was certainly corrupt at the individual level.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

The joys of Darren England tonight. Great.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Yes, yet nobody describes footballers as corrupt.

Well we’re in the referee thread. We can talk about corrupt (cheating) players elsewhere

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I'd say that the officials can act corruptly, but they can't really cheat, whereas players can do both and it's just easier to simply call them cheats.

Loads on here think that the refs cheat. “How else can X not be a red card/penalty?”

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well we’re in the referee thread. We can talk about corrupt (cheating) players elsewhere

It’s the rhetoric difference that we are discussing though, so I think it is relevant to this thread.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Does those activities come under the definition above? Dishonesty? To get a favourable decision?

They aren't in a position of authority, so it's not really relevant. Unless the players are offering money for decisions, in which case the player is guilty of bribery and the referee of corruption.

In the case of home players using home advantage to get favourable decisions at certain clubs, the authorities are only corrupt if they know it happens regularly (everyone knows it does), it happens continually (it does) and it doesn't get corrected (it doesn't).

 

[halfcenturyup]

What Clattenburg did may not be institutional corruption (unless the PL/PGMOL were aware, and lets not forget, his departure from the PL was rather swift and unexpected), it was certainly corrupt at the individual level.

That's where the process comes in. Individual referees can make wrong decisions for many reasons, one of which is corruption, of course (money, betting and, yes, even personal dislike) but the process is only corrupted if it happens regularly and PGMOL don't have a system in place to detect it and correct it. And if they don't, then the PL are involved if they don't have a system in place to detect and correct such weaknesses.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Fucking dodgy bastards!

*just getting it in early for tonight

Might as well.

Darren Dipper England will do his best.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It is relevant. No one has called Trippier or Paqueta corrupt for acts that have made friends and family money.

It’s over the top rhetoric. Footballing wokery.