Ref Watch

trublue55 said:
Given you acknowledge that the LoTG, are sufficiently vague to allow interpretation, can you not accept that you are very much in the minority, who think him not interfering, and therefore onside (referee, rags & YOU), probably akin to less than 1%.
Irrespective of the laws you seem to delight in quoting, the general opinion of most is that he WAS interfering with play, WAS offside, and the "goal" should have been disallowed, even within your quoted laws!
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Absoluely accept that Im in the minorty..

I agree that he was interfeering with play as he affects the decision making if the defenders - said it loads if times - but my opinion on that isnt in line with the rules and what they say

Do you accept that its not cheating on the officals part but their interpritation of the rules which we both agree are a bit vague(and therefore need changing)

Games are not ref'd by the opinions of fans - but by the LOTG and how the ref interprets them and the ref in his interpritation has allowed the goal....the LOTG allow him to do that.

I have zero delight in all of this is as we lost.
 
simon23 said:
Do you have a refeering qualification as coaching quals mean little here

The board is for opinions...you think mine are bollocks...thats ok...

Go check out the KDB thread for my other posts since the derby since you were asking.
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matey, your winding people up ?

even the bald build egg scum manager has said Rashford is interfering with the city defenders and would not be happy if city was given the goal ?

its offside ? it's not a mistake in the heat of the moment ? clearly the referee and match officials cheated,so because they did not make it look like a mistake they will be punished by demoted to the EFL
 
ancoats said:
once the linesman but his flag up and the referee blows his whistle, then VAR should be called for ?
but I am putting my defending hat on here ? clearly, defenders train for holding the line to catch players offside with the ball being played, so you are interfering with play if you're in an offside place,
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I'm very much in the 'if you're not interfering with play, what are you doing on the pitch' camp.

To take the emotion out of it, the one that **** Salah scored last week should clearly have been offside, yet, according to the law, it wasn't. It's mental, the defender only tried to clear it because Salah was there and, by doing so, played him onside. If he'd have ducked, Salah would have been offside.

The current law is a mess and, if the goal last week had been against them, and if today had been against the rags, all the media would be trying to get it changed.

I still don't get the VAR not getting involved though. There's mention of a subjective decision, but surely everything other than whether the ball has crossed the goal line is subjective, as it's all a matter of opinion of the officials
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I have heard this said but since when did something being subjective stop VAR getting involved in reviewing a goal? They review every goal for infringements like fouls and handballs which are subjective. They've also been banging on about how offside is objective, which they also review.

So...
If it's an objective element of the offside rule (the player's positioning) they get involved
If it's a subjective element that isn't offside (handball or foul) they get involved
If it's a subjective element of this one specific part of the offside rule, they... don't get involved? Why? Sounds literally fucking insane, am I going insane?

Somebody show me where it says in the rules that VAR only reviews subjective decisions with the exception of the elements of the offside rule which are subjective.
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This! Exactly, every fucking decision is subjective, in reality every decision should be objective, but let’s go with the excuses they have trotted out. As you say, is there a rule that says offside decisions are open to different interpretations? Is there fuck. It’s a stitch up.
 
bluwes said:
Why should Akanji risk trying to tackle him, he knows he’s yards offside
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defenders should be saying to their managers, WHY train all week in holding a tight line, if forwards can be onside by 5 yards in front of them and not interfering with play
 
Bluearmy said:
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision- are you telling me Akanji cant see the ball - of course he can. He can also make a tackle at any point.
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Bluearmy said:
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball - when does rashford stop the defender from trying to tackle...answer - he doesnt
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ancoats said:
matey, your winding people up ?

even the bald build egg scum manager has said Rashford is interfering with the city defenders and would not be happy if city was given the goal ?

its offside ? it's not a mistake in the heat of the moment ? clearly the referee and match officials cheated,so because they did not make it look like a mistake they will be punished by demoted to the EFL
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I agree he is interfeering...Ive said it all along. He affects the decision making of both city defenders and also the keeper

But not by the LOTG he aint
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
This! Exactly, every fucking decision is subjective, in reality every decision should be objective, but let’s go with the excuses they have trotted out. As you say, is there a rule that says offside decisions are open to different interpretations? Is there fuck. It’s a stitch up.
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it's the million-dollar question ? make it look like a mistake and we can cover your back ? but look like fools, it's clearly cheating
 
simon23 said:
No words/phrases such as (direct quotes here):
"interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball". no player on our side was stopped or intefered with in moving towards the ball
"impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball" - our players can still physically challenge for the ball.
if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent)

All of that implies physicallity

AS I have said however....I do believe Rashford impacts on play as it affects the decision making (which is a mental process not physical) of the defenders and Ederson.

For me it should be offside but the rule (which needs to be ammended) says otherwise.

For me if you are on the pitchand in the attacking half you are physically affecting the game....but the rules suggest you have to actually use you body to do t
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simon23 said:
Do you have a refeering qualification as coaching quals mean little here

The board is for opinions...you think mine are bollocks...thats ok...

Go check out the KDB thread for my other posts since the derby since you were asking.
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Akanji is chasing after Rashford who has gained an advantage from starting in an offside position, which part of interference do you not get. If Ederson knew Rashford was offside and couldn't touch the ball do you not think he would of just come out and cleared it, Rashfords actions have clearly impacted on the goal.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
Another fucking thing! VAR intervened on zero occasions today, we had two good penalty appeals, and then that “goal” again nada.
so here’s a thing, last week a bit spotlight was shone on Anfield, what not all cameras, what no big screen? So imagine, dishonest Oliver tells Twatwell he needs to look at something, what happens? A big spotlight is shone on Old Toilet, the natives are restless, what going on? Er no big screens here mate, hmmmmm another stadium not up to scratch. Imagine a prematch conversation, “we want nothing going to VAR unless it favours our buddies” hmmmmmm kind of explains things.
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Commentator's were silent when they showed replays of Casemiro's challenge on Cancelo, clear penalty all day! would love to have had Oliver's internet speed today as he managed to give the VAR review in a nano second.
 
simon23 said:
I agree he is interfeering...Ive said it all along. He affects the decision making of both city defenders and also the keeper

But not by the LOTG he aint
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He interferes by running half away across the field, running into Akanji’s line of site. Akanji then slows down because the only way he can get the ball is to run through Rashford. If Akanji ran at full speed to chase the ball without the presence of Rashford and therefore got the ball before Fernandes, there wouldn’t have been a goal. Rashford also looks like he’s shaping to shoot which impacts the goalkeeper.
 
simon23 said:
I agree he is interfeering...Ive said it all along. He affects the decision making of both city defenders and also the keeper

But not by the LOTG he aint
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so you're saying the match officials carry the rule book with them to every game ? so in the Brighton vs Liverpool game, TTA was given offside for the same thing ?

they make the rules up and when it suits united, and when they need a goal outcomes the rule book ? week after week year after year, united will always get them calls
 
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