robin van persie (continued)

[Taylor]

Suprised no news has come out of Van-Persie meeting Arsenal this week.

 

[pudge]

Not quite what he said.

Well by his logic, if we keep Aguero it will be our best signing this summer..

Or Silva, or Yaya etc.

but they are more then likely going to stay where as Tevez isn't a sure thing given his history.

So surely he should have said, "the best thing Tevez could do this summer is not fuck off again.."

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

IMHO the worst signing we could make us Tevez if we keep him it will be a disappointment tO manager and owner and we will still have the disease that nearly destroyed our title bid in our midst. He needs to be gone as he is a ticking bomb in the squad whatever fake smile he is putting on now. Maybe he had depression and he had treatment and I am being unfair but we have to have an extra striker if he is there just in case

He was brought back into the team so the dispute is over

Marvin, never mind the fans for one second, do you really believe that Mancini, the owner and the board have forgiven Tevez because he decided to grace us with his presence at the tail-end of the season?

Tevez only came back to the club because his career was going down the pan. He wasn't getting paid, he'd been heavily fined and the Jan window had been and gone.

If we don't move him on now, while we can still get good money he will walk on a Bosman, not good business, and not worth the hassle for a player who could kick of again at any time.

 

[EalingBlue2]

If tevez was married to the club he had about 10 one night stands, refused to pay child suPport and then fecked off to live in Marbella to live with a 16 year old slut, when his money ran out he came home and even then did not really apologise or admit he was wrong. To think AD, Mancini or even most of the team have fOrgiven him is in incredibley naive and wOuld suggest we are run by a bunch of saps. tevez is history of that have no doubt and good riddance!

We are Manchester City not the football equivalent of John Terry's missus

 

[taconinja]

The reason I want Van Persie is because he will have a desire to win trophies. He will realise he only has 4-5 seasons left in him and he will want to succeed so much.

After the likes of Adebayor coming and playing as if they were doing us a favour, it will be nice seeing an established star come and still want to prove himself.

He would bring so much to the team. He would give us some natural balance up top with him and Sergio. I think he would bring the best out of Samir. Plus I think he would fit into out system effortlessly. People say keep Edin and play to his strengths but imo that would weaken us. Getting crosses in from wide just for Edin would negate Silva's, Samir's and sergio's strengths. We need someone to fit the system rather than change the system to suit someone else.

But most of all, it is the hunger and quality that Van Persie has that would really benefit us.

I mostly agree but I do like having some width which Dzeko and wide crosses can bring as a change-up. I feel that clogging the middle against us can be an effective tactic and we should have contingencies for teams that want to do that.

 

[WEMBLEY76]

Can see him signing just after the friendly v Asenal end of July.Their fans are being slowly conditioned to losing him and probably been given anger therapy leaflets entitled why I hate Man City for the 3rd year running -how to cope with the Norvern lottery winning bastards who don't deserve it - rich hypocrisy from the Tarquins who have a dubious past regarding claiming promotion to the top league.

 

[Dzeko & Hyde]

In the end, Tevez will let us down. He always does.

 

[SuperbiaInProlelio]

I know this is not a popular thing to say, but keeping Tevez will be the best signing City can make this summer.

Can you justify that in comparison to Van Persie?

Van Persie has a better touch, better finish, better in the air, more skill and more intelligent movement imo.
Tevez has more work rate and his skill level is underrated by many but it is not up to Van Persies level I don't think.

For a team that plays possession football I think Van Persie would suit City more than Tevez does.

Feel free to dissagree.

Tevez is a lion, while RVP is a skilful goal poacher.

RVP isn't just a goal poacher. Most people don't realize, but RVP was 4th in the league in passes that led to shots. Everyone knows he's a good finisher, but he is very good at setting up others. Perhaps even better than Tevez. This aspect of his game is the biggest reason I want him to complete the move to City.

 

[Sunny Coast Blue]

In the end, Tevez will let us down. He always does.

As good as he was, we did well over the last two seasons without him, he almost cost us again this year , and I still feel he may of cost us the title the year before with his previous shenanegans.

The amount of energy expended on him must of been a huge distraction. On his day he is immense, off his day he's a destuctive influence and needs to let off steam before he can be managed back around to the team ethic.
There is no doubting his talent though, but we came very close to letting the Charity Shield winners distract everyone with their usual 21 point start from the FA and calling them champions again, rather than points buyers.
Oh well it looks like they will need to sell rancid meat to kids again to keep going, Green & Gold till the truth is TOLD-cxnts

 

[ElanJo]

RVP could turn into another Milner ...tho for different reasons.

Milner had one good season and we splurged big bucks on him. He has been average. I never really rated Milner, still think it was a travesty that he got YPOTY that season over the Superman version of Stevie Ireland.

I'm always weary of players who are bought after 1 good season (or, in RVP's case, 1 fit season). I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of Tevez for RVP. That'd be a wreckless gamble imo. RVP in place of Dzeko, sure, but Tevez? Not a chance, esp. when you factor in the inconsistency of Mario and the fact that Utd and Chelsea will be stronger (and, risking ridicule, you never know how Rogers will fair at Liverpool)

RVP will be less a risk if he's part of a 4man strikeforce of The Kun, Tevez, RVP, and Mario. Less likely to get injured if he's on the bench every now and then as well.
The question is would that strikeforce be a happy one?

 

[sbm]

For me there is no better fit than Van Persie. He has been a shit hot player for years now. Yes hes been injured and yes it is a risk but from what I have seen hes miles better than any other the options.

Let us look at the FACTS. I will take the following:

(a) minutes per goal
(b) minutes per assist
(c) minutes per assist or goal

First, consider last season, certainly RVP's best-ever season.

2011-12

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79
RVP (a) 111 (b) 237 (d) 75

Quite close, actually. Indeed, if penalties were excluded, the minutes per assist or goal would be 79 for both! The latter is really quite astonishing given:
(i) Arsenal's strategy focused around RVP, whereas City's strategy (by common consent) did not play to Edin's strengths; and
(ii) whereas RVP was on the field for the full 90 minutes in 34 of his 38 premier league appearances, Edin was 'chopped and changed', i.e. he was on the field for the full 90 minutes in only 10 of his 30 premier league appearances and, for 10 of his appearances, he was on the field for a TOTAL of 82 minutes.

Let's consider their CAREER statistics.

Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
RVP (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 161

Clearly Edin DOMINATES RVP. (If penalties were excluded, the minutes per goal or assist would favour Edin even more).

I don't know what the claim that RVP has been "a shit hot player for years now" really means. Incidentally these career statistics question the frequent claim that RVP's poor goal scoring record up to and including 2009-10 were due to injuries (to state the obvious, the above relate to time on the pitch). It is also claimed that RVP's poor scoring record was due to his starting out as a winger; but then presumably his assists should be higher for that.

 

[dtc78]

I'm thinking baconface will be in for rvp. We can outbid them but I suspect we won't get into a bidding war with anybody this summer. He would do a job for us as well as them. Feel a bit sorry for dzeko if he is the man to go as we should never have signed him with our playing style in mind. Wish tevez was just a bit shit then it would be easy to insist he be the one to leave but he isn't...

 

[Monkfish]

For me there is no better fit than Van Persie. He has been a shit hot player for years now. Yes hes been injured and yes it is a risk but from what I have seen hes miles better than any other the options.

Let us look at the FACTS. I will take the following:

(a) minutes per goal
(b) minutes per assist
(c) minutes per assist or goal

First, consider last season, certainly RVP's best-ever season.

2011-12

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79
RVP (a) 111 (b) 237 (d) 75

Quite close, actually. Indeed, if penalties were excluded, the minutes per assist or goal would be 79 for both! The latter is really quite astonishing given:
(i) Arsenal's strategy focused around RVP, whereas City's strategy (by common consent) did not play to Edin's strengths; and
(ii) whereas RVP was on the field for the full 90 minutes in 34 of his 38 premier league appearances, Edin was 'chopped and changed', i.e. he was on the field for the full 90 minutes in only 10 of his 30 premier league appearances and, for 10 of his appearances, he was on the field for a TOTAL of 82 minutes.

Let's consider their CAREER statistics.

Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
RVP (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 161

Clearly Edin DOMINATES RVP. (If penalties were excluded, the minutes per goal or assist would favour Edin even more).

I don't know what the claim that RVP has been "a shit hot player for years now" really means. Incidentally these career statistics question the frequent claim that RVP's poor goal scoring record up to and including 2009-10 were due to injuries (to state the obvious, the above relate to time on the pitch). It is also claimed that RVP's poor scoring record was due to his starting out as a winger; but then presumably his assists should be higher for that.

There are actually people who genuinely think Edin is a better player than RVP? Your not just being obtuse are you?

Had high hopes for Dzeko but that first touch just doesnt seem to be there, hard to play a posession game with a forward with the worst first touch in the Premier League (and I cant think of one with worse)

And there is still not a single football team in the world (thats the world by the way) that would not hasve RVP in their first choice team. How many of the top 10 teams would have Dzeko? Any?

 

[Sunny Coast Blue]

I would, Dzeko needs regular games and as many years to be compared, plus he's not a rapist or xxxx either.

For me there is no better fit than Van Persie. He has been a shit hot player for years now. Yes hes been injured and yes it is a risk but from what I have seen hes miles better than any other the options.

Let us look at the FACTS. I will take the following:

(a) minutes per goal
(b) minutes per assist
(c) minutes per assist or goal

First, consider last season, certainly RVP's best-ever season.

2011-12

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79
RVP (a) 111 (b) 237 (d) 75

Quite close, actually. Indeed, if penalties were excluded, the minutes per assist or goal would be 79 for both! The latter is really quite astonishing given:
(i) Arsenal's strategy focused around RVP, whereas City's strategy (by common consent) did not play to Edin's strengths; and
(ii) whereas RVP was on the field for the full 90 minutes in 34 of his 38 premier league appearances, Edin was 'chopped and changed', i.e. he was on the field for the full 90 minutes in only 10 of his 30 premier league appearances and, for 10 of his appearances, he was on the field for a TOTAL of 82 minutes.

Let's consider their CAREER statistics.

Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
RVP (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 161

Clearly Edin DOMINATES RVP. (If penalties were excluded, the minutes per goal or assist would favour Edin even more).

I don't know what the claim that RVP has been "a shit hot player for years now" really means. Incidentally these career statistics question the frequent claim that RVP's poor goal scoring record up to and including 2009-10 were due to injuries (to state the obvious, the above relate to time on the pitch). It is also claimed that RVP's poor scoring record was due to his starting out as a winger; but then presumably his assists should be higher for that.

There are actually people who genuinely think Edin is a better player than RVP? Your not just being obtuse are you?

Had high hopes for Dzeko but that first touch just doesnt seem to be there, hard to play a posession game with a forward with the worst first touch in the Premier League (and I cant think of one with worse)

And there is still not a single football team in the world (thats the world by the way) that would not hasve RVP in their first choice team. How many of the top 10 teams would have Dzeko? Any?

 

[NipHolmes]

I like Dzeko as much as his biggest fan but there is absolutely no denying we don't suit his style of play. I'm hearing that we should buy wingers to accommodate him but surely that is disruptive of a system that works and won us the title. Why change a winning formula to suit a single player when most others excel with it? If it was Messi I'd be all ears but its Dzeko and he's still unproven in my eyes.

RVP plays similar football already at Arsenal and will find us a good fit. His link up play with Silva, Nasri, Aguer and possibly Tevez will be delightful and he's a finisher. I've watched a few games where Dzeko missed glaring chances and was anonymous. RVP will be more prominent I promise that.

 

[alky313]

I like Dzeko as much as his biggest fan but there is absolutely no denying we don't suit his style of play. I'm hearing that we should buy wingers to accommodate him but surely that is disruptive of a system that works and won us the title. Why change a winning formula to suit a single player when most others excel with it? If it was Messi I'd be all ears but its Dzeko and he's still unproven in my eyes.

RVP plays similar football already at Arsenal and will find us a good fit. His link up play with Silva, Nasri, Aguer and possibly Tevez will be delightful and he's a finisher. I've watched a few games where Dzeko missed glaring chances and was anonymous. RVP will be more prominent I promise that.

We nearly lost the title not having a plan b. We are also the only team in Europe without quick winger(s). We need wingers, we need Dzeko.

 

[Taylor]

Baconface and United can't afford such lavish signings anymore, the quicker people/the media realise the better. How on earth do people expect/anticipate a club who are floating themselves on the New York stock exchange in order to raise capital towards reducing debt to then blow money on high profile signings is beyond me.

In my opinion Van Persie has three options:

1.To see his last year of his contract out.
2.To move to the champions of England.
3.To move to Italy and play at Juventus.

 

[bluemoondays]

I would, Dzeko needs regular games and as many years to be compared, plus he's not a rapist or xxxx either.

Let us look at the FACTS. I will take the following:

(a) minutes per goal
(b) minutes per assist
(c) minutes per assist or goal

First, consider last season, certainly RVP's best-ever season.

2011-12

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79
RVP (a) 111 (b) 237 (d) 75

Quite close, actually. Indeed, if penalties were excluded, the minutes per assist or goal would be 79 for both! The latter is really quite astonishing given:
(i) Arsenal's strategy focused around RVP, whereas City's strategy (by common consent) did not play to Edin's strengths; and
(ii) whereas RVP was on the field for the full 90 minutes in 34 of his 38 premier league appearances, Edin was 'chopped and changed', i.e. he was on the field for the full 90 minutes in only 10 of his 30 premier league appearances and, for 10 of his appearances, he was on the field for a TOTAL of 82 minutes.

Let's consider their CAREER statistics.

Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
RVP (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 161

Clearly Edin DOMINATES RVP. (If penalties were excluded, the minutes per goal or assist would favour Edin even more).

I don't know what the claim that RVP has been "a shit hot player for years now" really means. Incidentally these career statistics question the frequent claim that RVP's poor goal scoring record up to and including 2009-10 were due to injuries (to state the obvious, the above relate to time on the pitch). It is also claimed that RVP's poor scoring record was due to his starting out as a winger; but then presumably his assists should be higher for that.

There are actually people who genuinely think Edin is a better player than RVP? Your not just being obtuse are you?

Had high hopes for Dzeko but that first touch just doesnt seem to be there, hard to play a posession game with a forward with the worst first touch in the Premier League (and I cant think of one with worse)

And there is still not a single football team in the world (thats the world by the way) that would not hasve RVP in their first choice team. How many of the top 10 teams would have Dzeko? Any?

Oh, come on, worst first touch in the PL. The guy presents a reasoned argument backed up with actual statistics and this is the best response you can give.

I'd say quite a few top teams would have him with his goalscoring record - maybe not Barca/Real but certainly the rags (he'd be ideal for their wing play), chelsea (Drogba replacement), inter, juve, Bayern (if they didn't have Gomez), Milan (if they lost Ibra) would all be in a queue if we were to offer him out at £15m-£20m. Possibly even the 4 I've mentioned above as not being too interested would go for him as, at least, squad cover if he was available.

There's a reason we paid £27m and he still got 19 goals in 40 appearances last season with a lot of time spent on the bench so a bunch of those appearances were as sub. His goals/minute show he is a good striker but people continually harp on about his poor touch but don't acknowledge his goal ratio which does piss me off.

 

[newtonheathdave]

I know this is not a popular thing to say, but keeping Tevez will be the best signing City can make this summer.

Can you justify that in comparison to Van Persie?

Van Persie has a better touch, better finish, better in the air, more skill and more intelligent movement imo.
Tevez has more work rate and his skill level is underrated by many but it is not up to Van Persies level I don't think.

For a team that plays possession football I think Van Persie would suit City more than Tevez does.

Feel free to dissagree.

Tevez is a lion, while RVP is a skilful goal poacher.

Well seeing as we need a skillful footballer and not a lion then I would plump for Van Persie

 

[newtonheathdave]

For me there is no better fit than Van Persie. He has been a shit hot player for years now. Yes hes been injured and yes it is a risk but from what I have seen hes miles better than any other the options.

Let us look at the FACTS. I will take the following:

(a) minutes per goal
(b) minutes per assist
(c) minutes per assist or goal

First, consider last season, certainly RVP's best-ever season.

2011-12

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79
RVP (a) 111 (b) 237 (d) 75

Quite close, actually. Indeed, if penalties were excluded, the minutes per assist or goal would be 79 for both! The latter is really quite astonishing given:
(i) Arsenal's strategy focused around RVP, whereas City's strategy (by common consent) did not play to Edin's strengths; and
(ii) whereas RVP was on the field for the full 90 minutes in 34 of his 38 premier league appearances, Edin was 'chopped and changed', i.e. he was on the field for the full 90 minutes in only 10 of his 30 premier league appearances and, for 10 of his appearances, he was on the field for a TOTAL of 82 minutes.

Let's consider their CAREER statistics.

Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
RVP (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 161

Clearly Edin DOMINATES RVP. (If penalties were excluded, the minutes per goal or assist would favour Edin even more).

I don't know what the claim that RVP has been "a shit hot player for years now" really means. Incidentally these career statistics question the frequent claim that RVP's poor goal scoring record up to and including 2009-10 were due to injuries (to state the obvious, the above relate to time on the pitch). It is also claimed that RVP's poor scoring record was due to his starting out as a winger; but then presumably his assists should be higher for that.

Your going off stats where the team has been set up to play for Edins strengths.
I will go of what I have seen of my own eyes and imo Van Persie is so much of a better footballer.
In uniteds team Edin could be a very good player but we don't play like that. It is nice to have that option from the bench but imo Edin is not good enough to be a starter for us.
One thing your stats do not show was how many times the ball was played in to Edin and it bounced 5 yards away from him, giving possession to the opposition while our players were trying to get up to support him, which ultimately put us under pressure. Van Persie holds the ball up great, brings other players into the game and is a better technical footballer than Edin.
At the end of the day if Edin and Van Persie were shoes, they would be be really smart. But you would always wear the shoe that fitted rather than the one that was 2 sizes to big. For me, Van Persie is the shoe that fits.